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artsy said:
sorry.......the u.s has everything to do with darfur.....and the genocide.......they trained to them and supplied them with weapons......get educated people

Here you go artsy, a little light reading on the Darfur...


Matthew.  :salute:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20876,19056736-7583,00.html
Mark Steyn: New coalition of willing needed in Darfur
Hollywood stars are naive to expect the UN to stop the bloodbath in Sudan

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May 08, 2006

I SEE George Clooney and Angelina Jolie have discovered Darfur and are now demanding "action". Good for them. Hollywood hasn't shown this much interest in indigenous groups of the Sudan since John Payne and Jerry Colonna sang The Girlfriend of the Whirling Dervish in Garden of the Moon (1938).

I wish the celebs well. Those of us who wanted action on Darfur years ago will hope their advocacy produces more results than ours did. Clooney's concern for the people of the region appears to be genuine and serious. But unless he's also serious about backing the only forces in the world with the capability and will to act in Sudan, he's just another showboating pretty boy of no use to anyone.

Here's the lesson of the past three years: The UN kills.

In 2003, you'll recall, the US was reviled as a unilateralist cowboy because it and its coalition of the poodles waged an illegal war unauthorised by the UN against a sovereign state run by a thug regime that was no threat to anyone apart from selected ethnocultural groups within its borders, which it killed in large numbers (Kurds and Shia).

Well, Washington learned its lesson. Faced with another thug regime that's no threat to anyone apart from selected ethnocultural groups within its borders which it kills in large numbers (African Muslims and southern Christians), the unilateralist cowboy decided to go by the book. No unlawful actions here. Instead, meetings at the UN. Consultations with allies. Possible referral to the Security Council.

And as I wrote on this page in July 2004: "The problem is, by the time you've gone through the UN, everyone's dead." And as I wrote in Britain's Daily Telegraph in September 2004: "The US agreed to go the UN route and it looks like they'll have a really strongish compromise resolution ready to go about a week after the last villager's been murdered and his wife gang-raped."

Several hundred thousand corpses later Clooney is now demanding a "stronger multinational force to protect the civilians of Darfur".

Agreed. So let's get on to the details. If by "multinational" Clooney means a military intervention authorised by the UN, then he's a poseur and a fraud, and we should pay him no further heed. Meaningful UN action is never gonna happen. Sudan has at least two Security Council vetoes in its pocket: China gets 6 per cent of its oil from the country, while Russia has less obviously commercial reasons and more of a general philosophical belief in the right of sovereign states to butcher their own.

So forget a legal intervention authorised by the UN. If by "multinational" Clooney means military participation by the Sudanese regime's co-religionists, then dream on. The Arab League, as is its wont when one of its bloodier members gets a bad press, has circled the camels and chosen to confer its Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval on Khartoum by holding its most recent summit there.

So who, in the end, does "multinational action" boil down to? The same small group of nations responsible for almost any meaningful global action, from Sierra Leone to Iraq to Afghanistan to the tsunami-devastated Sri Lanka, Thailand and Indonesia and on to East Timor and the Solomon Islands. The same core of English-speaking countries, technically multinational but distressingly unicultural and unilingual and indeed, given that most of them share the same head of state, uniregal. The US, Britain, Australia and Canada (back in the game in Afghanistan) certainly attract other partners, from the gallant Poles to the Kingdom of Tonga.

But, whatever international law has to say on the subject, the only effective intervention around the world comes from ad hoc coalitions of the willing led by the doughty musketeers of the Anglosphere. Right now who's on the ground dragging the reluctant Sudanese through their negotiations with the African Union? America's Deputy Secretary of State Bob Zoellick and Britain's International Development Secretary Hilary Benn. Sorry, George, that's as "multinational" as it's gonna get.

Clooney made an interesting point a few weeks ago. He said that "liberal" had become a dirty word in America and he'd like to change that. Fair enough. But you're never going to do so as long as your squeamishness about the projection of American power outweighs your do-gooder instincts.

The American Prospect's Mark Leon Goldberg penned an almost comically agonised piece fretting about the circumstances in which he'd be prepared to support a Bush intervention in Darfur: Who needs the Janjaweed when you're prepared to torture your own arguments the way Goldberg does? He gets to the penultimate paragraph and he's still saying stuff such as: "The question, of course, is whether the US seeks Security Council support to legitimise such airstrikes."

Well, no, that's not the question. If you think the case for intervention in Darfur depends on whether or not the Chinese guy raises his hand, sorry, you're not being serious. The good people of Darfur have been entrusted to the legitimacy of the UN for more than two years and it's killing them. In 2004, after months of expressing deep concern, grave concern, deep concern over the graves and deep grave concern over whether the graves were deep enough, Kofi Annan took decisive action and appointed a UN committee to look into what's going on. Eventually, they reported back that it's not genocide.

Thank goodness for that. Because, as yet another Kofi-appointed UN committee boldly declared, "genocide anywhere is a threat to the security of all and should never be tolerated". So fortunately what's going on in the Sudan isn't genocide. Instead, it's just hundreds of thousands of corpses who happen to be from the same ethnic group, which means the UN can go on tolerating it until everyone's dead, at which point the so-called "decent left" can support a "multinational" force under the auspices of the Arab League going in to ensure the corpses don't pollute the water supply.

What's the quintessential leftist cause? It's the one you see on a gazillion bumper stickers: Free Tibet. Every college in the US has a Free Tibet society: There's the Indiana University Students for a Free Tibet, and the University of Wisconsin-Madison Students for a Free Tibet, and the Students for a Free Tibet University of Michigan Chapter. Everyone's for a free Tibet, but no one's for freeing Tibet. Idealism asinertia is the hallmark of the movement.

Those of us on the Free Iraq-Free Darfur side are consistent: There are no bad reasons to clobber thug regimes, and the postmodern sovereignty beloved by the UN is strictly conditional. At some point, the Left has to decide whether it stands for anything other than self-congratulatory passivity and the fetishisation of a failed and corrupt transnationalism. As Alexander Downer put it: "Outcomes are more important than blind faith in the principles of non-intervention, sovereignty and multilateralism."

Just so. Regrettably, the Australian Foreign Minister isn't as big a star as Clooney, but I'm sure Downer wouldn't mind if Clooney wanted to appropriate it as the Clooney Doctrine. If Anglosphere action isn't multinational enough for Sudan, it might confirm the suspicion that the Left's conscience is now just some tedious shell game in which it frantically scrambles the thimbles but, whether you look under the Iraqi or Afghan or Sudanese one, you somehow never find the shrivelled pea of The Military Intervention We're Willing To Support.

 
Another case of foot in mouth, or will DND refute the Liberals

Wednesday » May 10 » 2006

Reproduced under the Fair Dealings provisions of the Copyright Act 

Contradictory signals on Canadian military role in Darfur
 
Mike Blanchfield
CanWest News Service; Ottawa Citizen


Wednesday, May 10, 2006



CREDIT: AFP/Getty Images/Jonah Fisher
Freshly displaced Darfuris await the arrival of the UN relief coordinator Jan Egeland in the rebel held town of Gereida in southern Darfur, 07 May 2006.

OTTAWA - The Canadian Forces told the Liberal government last year that they could provide troops to an international protection force for Darfur, apparently contradicting Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor's assertions that the military is too stretched to help in the war-torn Sudanese region.

The revelation came as Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Tuesday that Canada has not been asked to contribute soldiers to a United Nations peacekeeping mission for Darfur, but stands ready to contribute humanitarian assistance.

Last year, prior to the federal election that drove them from power, the Liberal minority government of Paul Martin was briefed by the Armed Forces that it had the capacity to supply a reinforced battle group of up of 1,500 soldiers, with its own transport capability and an ability to provide humanitarian support.

The military recommendation came after a special task force comprising Liberal senators Romeo Dallaire and Mobina Jaffer, as well as former UN ambassador Robert Fowler, returned from a fact-finding mission to Darfur. The new Conservative government has since disbanded that advisory group.

"During our time, we were informed by the military that we could do two missions, not of the same size but there was room to do something," Liberal defence critic Ujjal Dosanjh said in an interview.

On two recent occasions, O'Connor has cast doubt on the Force's ability to conduct another major international deployment of soldiers beyond Afghanistan. The first time was last month at CFB Petawawa, northwest of Ottawa, and more recently at an appearance before the Senate defence committee.

O'Connor said that with 2,300 troops in Afghanistan, the Forces are too stretched to send more army forces on another major foreign deployment, but he did leave open the possibility that Canada could contribute some form of naval support.

"I support the government when they say we can't do two missions of the same size, but I think definitely we can do something, a smaller mission (than Afghanistan). We should do that as part of a larger UN mission," said Dosanjh.

In the House of Commons, Harper was pressured by NDP Leader Jack Layton to contribute troops to a mission to Darfur to stop what he called E"genocide."

Harper said Canada has been consulting with its allies and the UN on what contribution the country can make to bolster the recent peace agreement, but that he does not expect a request for military personnel.

"We are expecting requests for assistance on governance and humanitarian assistance. At this moment, it does not appear that there will be any request for military assistance, but we stand ready to work with our international allies to improve the situation in Darfur," Harper told the Commons Tuesday.

Despite a recent peace agreement in the three-year Darfur conflict that has claimed an estimated 200,000 lives and rendered three million homeless, there has been no formal decision to deploy such a UN force.

But UN Secretary General Kofi Annan and U.S. President George W. Bush have said a more robust international force is needed to offer protection because a 7,000-member African Union force has proven ineffective.

Dosanjh said the fact that Canada has received no formal request for troops "gives us an out for the time being."

"I'm hopeful the prime minister left some room there. He did not actually rule out the possibility of a mission, a smaller mission," he added.

Ottawa Citizen

Memo: May be updated with Steven Edwards' file from UN EDS:May be updated with Steven Edwards' file from UN.

© CanWest News Service 2006








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whiskey601 said:
OTTAWA - The Canadian Forces told the Liberal government last year that they could provide troops to an international protection force for Darfur, apparently contradicting Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor's assertions that the military is too stretched to help in the war-torn Sudanese region.
This is because in order to achieve the growth directed by the Conservative Government, the soldiers that could have gone to Sudan will now be required to run courses & training.  So, what was said last fall & what is being said now are both true (though contradictory).
 
How small a force should we send?  Maybe if we plan it right we can send a force too small to have any useful impact, and the soldiers can come home to spend the rest of their lives dealing with memories of seeing it but being unable to stop it.
 
Perhaps aid can be delivered by one of the expensive tactical fighter squadrons from 30,000 feet, thus avoiding witnessing the misery. 
 
This Darfur thing requires the observations of some genuine heroes.  I would like to hear what some of our WW2 and Korean War vets have to say.  I have a lot of respect for well meaning politicians such as Senator Dallaire, but I recall fondly a time in this country when we chose our heroes from a list of soldiers who - even if they never got to WIN a battle - actually got to FIGHT one.

Tom
 
How is Darfur worse than the rest of Africa?

I have met people from Sudan (ultimately refugees) personally, and must say that the situation is at least 10 years old.
Ideally, our troops would have been not only there, but in many, many other areas in Africa for a very long time.
We should be in Sudan, but not at the cost of our mission in Afghanistan, which is equally important.
The truth is, the Canadian public could not stomach the losses that would result from going to Darfur (though not excessive).
Secondly, we do not have enough troops to finish the mission.  Once again, this is because the Canadian public has not been willing to commit resources to the C.F.

Ideally we would have been in Sudan long ago, also Rwanda, have had more troops in Somalia, etc, etc, etc.
The values this country represents are better than what most citizens think. :cdn:
 
Excerpts from a brilliant column by Margaret Wente in the Globe today (full text not online):
http://www.theglobeandmail.com//servlet/story/LAC.20060511.COWENT11/TPStory/National/columnists

'..
...Jack Layton wants to help Darfur, especially if it means we get to pull our troops out of Afghanistan to do it. "Let there be no doubt," he said in an emotional speech this week. "What we are seeing in Darfur is genocide in slow motion."

Mr. Layton wants to bring back the glory days of peacekeeping under the umbrella of the United Nations. The blue helmets will protect the innocent (if there are any left alive by then) from being raped and slaughtered, just the way they protected those 800,000 people in Rwanda. Even Roméo Dallaire now says the UN is the answer...

If sentiment were deeds and talk were action, Canada would be a hero...

Let no one say Canada hasn't seized the moral high ground on Darfur. Even if we don't have any troops to send, we can help in other ways. We can get Mr. Rock to talk sternly to Russia and China, who are stubbornly refusing to come around. And after the militias peacefully lay down their arms, we can send our experts to help write a constitution.

Unfortunately, I doubt Sudan's Omar Hassan Bashir is too worried yet. He knows his pals will stick up for him. China gets 7 per cent of its oil from Sudan, and in turn sells it weapons to arm its militias...

The Arab nations have been curiously mum about the Muslims dying in Darfur. Is it because they're the wrong kind of Muslims? Or is it because they're being slaughtered by other Muslims, instead of by Americans and Jews? The African Union isn't enthusiastic about Western meddling either. They're insulted that people think their own 7,000-man security force can't do the job -- even though it has been totally ineffectual. The Europeans, meantime, have mostly got out of the peacekeeping business. They'd rather stand back and denounce American imperialism...'

Mark
Ottawa
 
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060511/darfur_deployment_060511/20060511?hub=TopStories

CTV.ca News Staff

Prime Minister Stephen Harper said that Canada could deploy more troops to the troubled Darfur region of Sudan if necessary, days after his defence minister warned that the army is stretched too thin to help in the war-torn nation.

"This government stands ready and is in consultation with our friends in the international community to do whatever is necessary to advance the peace process in Darfur," Harper said Wednesday in the House of Commons.

"If that involves sending troops, that will be an option that we consider."

As recently as Tuesday, Harper said Canada stands ready to contribute humanitarian assistance, but did not expect any military requests from Darfur, where at least 180,000 people have died and another 2.4 million uprooted.

Politicians from all parties have urged the government to take a leadership role to stop further bloodshed in Darfur, where 100 Canadian soldiers are already serving as advisers to about 7,000 African Union troops.

But Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor told a Senate committee on Monday that Canada's military can't take on any new overseas missions while it's trying to expand

"As long as we are expanding the armed forces, we will not be able to maintain two sort of heavy lines of commitment from the army," he said Monday while testifying before a Senate defence committee hearing in Ottawa.

Asked about the mixed signals from the two politicians, O'Connor's spokesman Etienne Allard told The Globe and Mail it would not be easy to do two large deployments at the same time.

"Minister O'Connor has been consistent in saying that, considering we have 2,300 troops in Afghanistan and the current state of the Canadian Forces, it would be very difficult to support another substantial overseas mission."

Decades of low-level tribal clashes over land and water in Darfur erupted into large-scale violence in early 2003.

The rebels took up arms, accusing the government of discriminating against the black residents of Darfur.

The government is accused of responding by unleashing Janjaweed militias, who are blamed for the worst atrocities such as mass killing and rape, but it's a charge Sudan denies.

The Sudanese government has signed a peace deal with the major rebel group there and has indicated it would be open to UN peacekeepers getting involved.

Doesn't take a level 5 wizard to see this has got trouble written all over it.
 
Perhaps this is a way to get the other parties to publicly change their anti-military tune and in exchange for the PM taking a Darfur Mission to the UN, then the NDP will make a public declaration about the importance of our military in failed states and the need to increase funding so it can perform critical missions into the next century.

I can always hope, can't I?  ;D

In all seriousness, I think it would be a great opportunity to get rid of a large part of the "useful idiot" segment of our population, most of whom vote NDP.


Matthew.    :salute:
 
Yet one more example of a headline catering to society that can't be bothered to read a whole newspaper article.

Headline
Prime Minister Stephen Harper said that Canada could deploy more troops to the troubled Darfur region of Sudan if necessary
Actually said in the House of Commons
"If that involves sending troops, that will be an option that we consider."

These are not equal - - the "consideration" may show that  ~surprise~ the CF is stretched too thin to deploy a second, sustainable battle-group. But that wasn't the headline-writer's intent, now was it?  ::)
 
Well said Journeyman.

I noticed today that Somalia was back on the news. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060511/security_somalia_060511/20060511?hub=World

Thursday in Somalia's capital as hundreds of families fled violence that has killed at least 122 people over five days.....The battle between the Islamic Court Union and the Alliance for the Restoration of Peace and Counterterrorism has centered on the northern neighborhood of Sii-Sii, with neither side gaining an advantage.... The International Committee of the Red Cross said two hospitals have admitted 184 wounded people, including 20 women and 22 children, and expressed concerns about "the consequences in humanitarian terms of the intense armed clashes."

Curious to know if the NDP or the Liberal Defence critic will jump on this "grenade" of an issue.
 
Funny you bring up the bit about Headline Writers - an art form unto itself apparently.

Christie Blatchford wrote a column generally sympathetic to the Government's position on the "Return Ceremony".  In a long piece she wrote many paragraphs understanding the Government's position and supportive of the need to protect families and support the wishes of the troops.  She wrote one short paragraph understanding the position of the opposition.

The headline read something like Troops support Government position - But Harper is still wrong.  This prompted me to write to Ms. Blatchford.  In her reply she seemed to express chagrin that the headline did not reflect what she wrote.

A related art is placing a headline from one article in close proximity to a photograph from another story to create an entirely different impression.  Hypothetical situation: "Conservatives Debate Use of Nuclear Weapons" juxtaposed against a picture of an "Angry" Stephen Harper standing in the House on the front page.  Picture refers to a page 5 story about Harper defending more money for Natives.  Headline refers to British Conservatives.

Few people read newspapers.  Many people see what is "above the fold" staring out at them from the newspaper boxes scattered around the countryside like mini billboards.

 
Another Darfur headline to ponder, from (surprise) the Crvena Zvezda:

"Peacekeeping pledge broken"
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1147297813034&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154&t=TS_Home

Mark
Ottawa
 
A stinging and well deserved shot at Layton from the Gazette. The last sentence is particularly poignant. Reproduced under the Fair Dealings Provisions of the Copyright Act.

Thursday » May 11 » 2006

Layton the Afghan opportunist
 
The Gazette

Tuesday, May 09, 2006

Jack Layton, trying to carve out a vote-winning foreign policy position for his party, has instead demonstrated just how pointless and useless the NDP's version of "soft power" really would be. Canadians should all be very glad Layton is not charting Canada's course in the world.

Just a day after a new poll showed many Canadians un-enthusiastic about the Canadian role in Afghanistan, Layton rushed Sunday to get ahead of the parade: Canada should cut back our Afghan commitment, he said, if that's what's necessary to provide resources to go into Darfur.

He's got the last part right, at least. For decades the NDP has watched cheerfully as successive Liberal and Progressive Conservative governments reduced defence spending as a proportion of Canada's gross domestic product. NDP security policy (www.ndp.ca/page/3018) says "total defence spending would not be reduced" but focuses mainly on foreign aid, Third World AIDS, defence department toxic dumps and "humanitarian and environmental support."

It's all very earnest but it hardly mentions actually military forces. Priorities would obviously move away from readiness.

So Layton is right: We're hard-pressed now to maintain our 2,300-strong force in Afghanistan. But why would the NDP want us to leave Afghanistan? What part of the Canadian role there does Layton reject? Support for democratic government? A bigger role for, and better treatment of, women? Suppression of Taliban fanaticism?
And if Canada did abandon the Afghan project - entered into by Paul Martin's Liberals and reconfirmed by Stephen Harper's Conservatives - how long could anyone trust us to stay in Darfur? Until Prime Minister Layton detects votes in some new headline-winning crisis?

And what exactly does the NDP imagine Canada could accomplish in Darfur, a region as remote and geographically forbidding as Afghanistan?

The NDP platform says the party would "commit Canadian troops to overseas operations only under the auspices of international peace and security organizations." But it will be a long time before the United Nations, that sink-hole of double standards and corruption, summons up the will to do anything in Darfur. NATO won't touch the place. The European Union doesn't want to know.

Any peace-making force for Darfur would need to be mainly African and/or Muslim. The African Union force there now is so pathetic that it has actually borrowed some vehicles from Canada. So what world body does Layton imagine Canada joining to ride to the rescue?
Layton's weekend speech played the nostalgia card, speaking of "peacekeeping." But Darfur is not Cyprus. The Khartoum government seeks to consolidate its control via ethnic cleansing or genocide, and seems indifferent as to which method it uses.

That government's devotion to peace simply does not exist. Peace will have to be made and enforced, which can't be done by pious wishes.

© The Gazette (Montreal) 2006

Copyright © 2006 CanWest Interactive, a division of CanWest MediaWorks Publications, Inc.. All rights reserved.

 
I do not think that going to Darfur now would be a smart thing for us to do, although I am somewhat biased after having been personally affected by the outcome in Rwanada. As it has been stated a hundred times, we just do not have the equipment or the manpower for such a mission right now.

The UN was promised to Sudan in February, and the Sudanese government objected. Has much changed since February? A peace agreement or 2?

Personally I am sitting on the fence over the issue, because I would hate to see the "Op tempo" increase to the point where men and women of the CF are suffering as a result, both professionally and personally. At the same time, though, it seems so terribly wrong to stand by and watch what is happening in the Sudan.

The United Nations Panel has "found no genocide" in Darfur, but does refer to it as "Ethnic Cleansing." It is however, refered to as a genocide in the media. Angelina Jolie, herself a UN goodwill ambassador, has taken large ads out in magazines to ask for support and genocide intervention groups have become involved. 

As I recall, Rwanda's UNAMIR was not supposed to be this sort of mission either. Our (1CDHSR at the time)  boys were supposed to be in and out - set up comms and leave. 8 months later, after building numerous orphanages, several ambushes and a lot more death , they came home. This was all AFTER Dallair had already returned to Canada. It was decided later that yes, it had been a genocide, and yes they should have done more.

Following Rwanda the UN gave this statement :

US Ambassador Richard Holbrooke said: "The prevention of another round of genocidal violence in central Africa is one of the core elements of US policy in the Great Lakes, and is one of the United Nations' greatest challenges." (1)

Rwanda saw 937,000 (2) deaths. in Darfur they are reporting 70,000 - 400,000 depending on the source.(3) It is difficult to find a current, accurate count.

I don't envy Mr. Harper or Mr. O'Conner for the decisions they will have to make concerning Darfur. The political and social pressures they must feel, that all the while contradict with the strategic requirement to increase the CF strength, has got to make for at least a few ulcers.

I can also say as a military spouce, that the idea of my husband going to Africa frightens me in a way that no other mission could, but again that comes back to the bias I have towards African missions.

I do believe that if we allow for the growth within the CF to take place, then we would be in a much more stable position to offer our assistance if required. The question is, by then, will it be too late.


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Works Cited:

1. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/714025.stm (15 April 2000)
2. http://www.alertnet.org/thefacts/reliefresources/108117321274.htm (4 April 2004)
3. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6186-2005Feb7.html (8 Feb 2005)
 
David Rudd (Canadian Institute of Strategic Studies) advocates sending tactical helicopters (which seems to be the editorial's fall-back position if the government decides Canada simply must do something front line) in this column in the Globe and Mail, May 12: "Canada can play a role in Darfur -- just not a lead one" (full text not online).
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/v4/sub/MarketingPage?user_URL=http://www.theglobeandmail.com%2Fservlet%2Fstory%2FLAC.20060512.COTROOPS12%2FTPStory%2FComment&ord=19201566&brand=theglobeandmail&redirect_reason=2&denial_reasons=none&force_login=false

Mark
Ottawa
 
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