Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)

[AbdullahD]

Sunni Muslims will have to answer the question as to what school they belong to..

It would be interesting if we made the same question for our Shia brethren too... because they have schools of thoughts and sects too... and I doubt they can answer either.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhhab

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_Islam

The majority of Muslims are hanafi and many don't know it due to the fact... it really is not that important on a day to day basis.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanafi

So should we also ask them what type of salafi they are?
Ie Madkali Salafis, Saudi Salafis, Jihadi Salafis, Qutubis, Sururis, Modernist Salafis, Murji Salafis, Talafis, takfiris, etc because identifying wether they are a risk to others need that identifier... albeit many would not be able to tell us.

But then again we could get real deep and ask what type of hanafi too... aka Arab hanafi, barelvi, deobandi etc

What is important is eradicating extremist ideologies. Because there are salafi and other ideologies that are generally considered extreme that have passive branches. So eradicating radicals in all forms is important because there are radical Hanafi branches as well (albeit they are typically very much smaller).

..but blanket provisions like you are proposing are much like gun control advocates telling us that everyone who has a firearm is dangerous and must be disarmed.

Good point.

And if mosques need to publish sermons, what about churches, synagogues and temples? If I do home bible study, am I obligated to publish what verse I am reading? Where does it end?

See I'm an advocate of mosques optionally recording and uploading Friday Khutba's (sermons) because it would be great in dispelling myths about Islam.  But the difference in optional vs obligatory is huge, a quick Google search will show many many Friday Khutba's available online. I also find extremists fools tend to love to upload their radical Khutba's, it is just finding those hate speeches and reporting them and getting them prosecuted.

The surveillance state being built on fears of terrorism is large, intrusive, expensive and intrudes on all our liberties enough, even though it is unable to stop "home grown" terrorists. It is also quite conceivable that with a change to the definition of who is a terrorist or what constitutes terrorism, the state can be turned against anyone. This is most certainly a road I do not want to go down, and I'm pretty sure most people would not make that choice willingly either.

It reminds me of that saying to the effect; that first they came for the so and so and then they came for so and so and when they came for you, no one was left to help. Someone can give it properly but the gist of it is their.

It is a slippery slope of demonization, I agree I do not want to go down this road... but we *may* have already started down it.

Abdullah

PS I defended salafis a little bit, because I felt bad at how harsh I criticized them the other day. They are not just one group, only some salafis are the issue a lot of them are great people.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Insert 'Catholic' and 'Protestant' for any of the two warring sides mentioned above and you'd have a pretty good description of the situation in Northern Ireland. You know a modern, first world, western state that continues to struggle with terrorists even though they elected a bunch of them to power a few years ago.

IMHO, this is likely the dawn of a new 100 years' war and we'll probably look back upon these as the 'good old days'.

 

[mariomike]

July 10, 2016

Osama bin Laden's son vows to avenge his father's death
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/osama-bin-laden-son-hamza-vows-to-avenge-fathers-death/
BEIRUT - Al Qaeda's media arm has released an audio in which the purported son of the late al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden threatens revenge against the U.S. for assassinating his father.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Insert 'Catholic' and 'Protestant' for any of the two warring sides mentioned above and you'd have a pretty good description of the situation in Northern Ireland. You know a modern, first world, western state that continues to struggle with terrorists even though they elected a bunch of them to power a few years ago.

IMHO, this is likely the dawn of a new 100 years' war and we'll probably look back upon these as the 'good old days'.

Well, if we're going to end up in Canada's streets, fighting religious fanatics, I want it to happen now. While I can still see enough to sight my rifle and while I'm mobile enough to run between buildings. I don't want my daughter and grandson growing up having to do it or living under sharia.

 

[George Wallace]

Well, if we're going to end up in Canada's streets, fighting religious fanatics, I want it to happen now. While I can still see enough to sight my rifle and while I'm mobile enough to run between buildings. I don't want my daughter and grandson growing up having to do it or living under sharia.

With some proper landscaping and some tactically minded renos to the house, you can really make you home your castle; with good lines of sight into your funneled kill zones.  Plus, with some more info from the "preparations for the Zombie Apocalypse" thread, you don't have to worry so much about losing your age related speed, agility, and mobility.  >  [

 

[jollyjacktar]

Well, if we're going to end up in Canada's streets, fighting religious fanatics, I want it to happen now. While I can still see enough to sight my rifle and while I'm mobile enough to run between buildings. I don't want my daughter and grandson growing up having to do it or living under sharia.

:goodpost:

July 10, 2016

Osama bin Laden's son vows to avenge his father's death
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/osama-bin-laden-son-hamza-vows-to-avenge-fathers-death/
BEIRUT - Al Qaeda's media arm has released an audio in which the purported son of the late al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden threatens revenge against the U.S. for assassinating his father.

If he's itching for it, I'm sure the Seals can arrange for Jr. to follow in Daddy's footsteps.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

With some proper landscaping and some tactically minded renos to the house, you can really make you home your castle; with good lines of sight into your funneled kill zones.  Plus, with some more info from the "preparations for the Zombie Apocalypse" thread, you don't have to worry so much about losing your age related speed, agility, and mobility.  >  [

Here's your training film [ https://ca.search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=C211CA1056D20151212&p=omega+man

 

[George Wallace]

Ah!  The Omega Man.  [

Good planning and preparation is never wasted.

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[mariomike]

Regarding the Orlando Massacre,

July 12, 2016

Did Florida follow FDLE's rules on terrorism after Pulse so Paramedics could get to patients?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-ed-pulse-fdle-terrorist-response-071216-20160712-story.html
After the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Florida conducted 14 regional terror-response exercises during 2002-2004 under the guidance of FDLE and myself, the chief of Domestic Security. The average response time was more than three hours from arrival of responders at an exercise terrorist-attack site to the beginning of the rescue of the victims of the attack.

G. Stephen Lauer was the first chief of Florida Domestic Security from 2001 to 2004.

 

[OldSolduer]

Well, if we're going to end up in Canada's streets, fighting religious fanatics, I want it to happen now. While I can still see enough to sight my rifle and while I'm mobile enough to run between buildings. I don't want my daughter and grandson growing up having to do it or living under sharia.

I'll be your fire team partner. Despite my age I can still shoot n scoot.

 

[mariomike]

FDNY Center for Terrorism & Disaster Preparedness Presentation on the Orlando Terror Attack
https://info.publicintelligence.net/FDNY-OrlandoAttack.pdf

Key Takeaways

1) Delayed medical response
Emergency medical attention to gunshot victims was delayed when police units withdrew from the building.
Threat of secondary explosive devices led to withdrawal of responders.
Paramedics were denied entry to the building.
Needed PD force protection to make entry
Remained at staging area out of blast range
No triage and rapid treatment was attempted
Critically wounded victims received no treatment for 3 hours
Of 66 people found inside, only 17 survived

2) Venues as soft targets
3 ) Military-style equipment
4) Electronic messaging
5) MCI at the Firehouse
Decision made to wait inside firehouse until armed police could be seen outside.
Once assured of safety, firefighters opened doors and provided care.
Triage was set up across the street from firehouse.
When shooting victims arrived at the firehouse, the doors stayed down and they waited for police.


Al Qaeda Offers its Insight
AQ issued a bulletin to celebrate the Orlando attack and analyze tactics for future “Lone Jihadists”
AQ’s benefits of targeting “general gatherings”
Enclosed area made it easy to “chase and hunt targets”
Late night timing ensured targets were drunk
Enabled him to “take many hostages and lengthen the battle for as long as possible…so the whole world listened”
AQ’s future recommendations
Add homemade explosives to gunfire to maximize death toll
Attack “areas where the Anglo-Saxon community is generally concentrated”
Recent video shows ISIS flag over the Las Vegas strip

Lots more in the presentation, if interested.

Edit to add,

ISIS Video calls For San Francisco, Las Vegas Attacks
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/video/category/news-international-news/3422401-isis-video-calls-for-san-francisco-las-vegas-attacks/

 

[AbdullahD]

This is a good sign, if Saudi continues to distances itself from the wahabi sect it could have good implications throughout the world. (Since Salafi/Wahabi terrorism is a significant threat I posted it here).

http://www.islamicpluralism.org/2588/saudis-announce-a-turn-away-from-wahhabi-cultural

 

[daftandbarmy]

This is a good sign, if Saudi continues to distances itself from the wahabi sect it could have good implications throughout the world. (Since Salafi/Wahabi terrorism is a significant threat I posted it here).

http://www.islamicpluralism.org/2588/saudis-announce-a-turn-away-from-wahhabi-cultural

Yeah, they've been working on that project since the 18th Century. Let me know how that works out....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

 

[AbdullahD]

Yeah, they've been working on that project since the 18th Century. Let me know how that works out....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

I miss your point I think... you have linked to a definition and history of Wahabi fiqh... whereas my article I posted is showing that Saudi may be drifting away from the wahabi fiqh... which would be a good thing for global terrorim.

I understand where the wahabis came from and how it is 200 or so years old in its current form (800 years or so if you go back to the roots...).

But I am not sure exactly what your point is in context of the link and comment I have made... Sorry...

 

[jollyjacktar]

CBC say several wounded  I'm sure more bad news is coming.  And more of this shit too.  Europe will go nuts one of these days with a major backlash I fear.

 

[jollyjacktar]

Another attack in Germany.  A Syrian refugee hacked a pregnant woman to death with a machete.  Merkel will find more pressure on her as more of these things happen.  That's what they will get from allowing all these fighting aged males into Europe too.  Apparently a man passing by in his BMW saw what was going on and ran the fucker over with his car... well done.

"BREAKING NEWS: Machete-wielding Syrian refugee, 21, hacks PREGNANT woman to death in the street and injures two others in latest horror to rock Germany
- Syrian refugee, aged 21, went on a machete rampage in the city Reutlingen, Germany near to a doner kebab stand
- He killed one woman and injured a man and another woman in the attack before being detained by the police
- The motive for the attack is unclear but it has been reported he had a dispute with the woman before he killed her


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3705823/Machete-wielding-attacker-kills-woman-injures-two-new-German-outrage.html#ixzz4FLiQjXnF
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[The Bread Guy]

Holy Fack in Germany - usual initial report caveats apply ...

• "Police in the town of Ansbach west of Nuremburg have said a man was killed when an explosive device he was believed to be carrying detonated near an open-air music festival. Twelve people were injured, three seriously ..." (Deutsche Welle -- German public broadcasting)
• "Reuters: twelve people injured, three seriously, in Ansbach blast -- There is no evidence yet that the person who died was a suicide bomber, the police added ..." (TASS -- Russian state media)

More via Google News here.

 

[tomahawk6]

How many more of these attacks will the citizens of Europe tolerate ?

 

[jmt18325]

This is madness - Europe is quickly spiraling into a tamer (for now) version of the middle east. 

 

[Halifax Tar]

I continually find a common thread in the reporting of these instances now.  The different news agencies seem to trip over themselves to point out that there is no link to ISIS or Islamic Terrorism ect ect.  Until of course it is undeniable.

How long can they live in the denial that while these perps may not be card carrying members of ________ Islamic Terrorist Org they are acting in said orgs name and goal ?

Watching globalism and liberalism destroy itself is getting scarier every day...