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Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)

Mass migration will continue to  subvert Western European societies. They will basically be forced to submit in the long run. I feel the most for the children and future generations (especially the women) as they never had a say in the matter.

Oh and news flash - we're next.
 
Spectrum said:
Mass migration will continue to  subvert Western European societies. They will basically be forced to submit in the long run. I feel the most for the children and future generations (especially the women) as they never had a say in the matter.

Oh and news flash - we're next.

The reality is that we are 7 billion parasites sucking up every animal, mineral and plant we can lay hands on to make our own personal space more comfortable.  The planet is capable, by some estimates, to be able to ration 10.3 billion of us provided we do not build anymore sub-divisions on anymore farmland and put all farmland into intensive use AND fully cooperate internationally.  Yes we are next and we have likely already lost but us 25 plus folks will likely not see the surrender.
 
milnews.ca said:
The latest:  mental illness + ISIL/ISIS ...
Meanwhile ...
In remarks published in the "Welt am Sonntag" newspaper Sunday, Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann advocated for the army to be allowed to deploy within Germany to support the police in case of a terror attack.

Germany's constitution, drawn up in the aftermath of World War II, places strict limits on the use of the military, the Bundeswehr, within the country's borders. Those regulations were now obsolete, Herrmann said.

"We have an absolutely stable democracy in our country," he said. "It would be completely incomprehensible… if we had a terrorist situation like Brussels in Frankfurt, Stuttgart or Munich and we were not permitted to call in the well-trained forces of the Bundeswehr, even though they stand ready."

In most European countries that was the case without question, he said ...
 
As far as I'm concerned, anyone, who would listen to, give credence to or join daesh and the like show signs of serious mental retardation.  Without exception.
 
jollyjacktar said:
As far as I'm concerned, anyone, who would listen to, give credence to or join daesh and the like show signs of serious mental retardation.  Without exception.

Or is a fanatic.
 
Another terrorist attack in France. 

Priest, 86, is 'beheaded' by two 'Islamic knifemen' after taking nuns and worshippers hostage at French church before police shoot them both dead and search building for explosives
Priest had throat cut after knifemen burst into Normandy church at 9am
Both attackers shot dead by police and another hostage is fighting for life
At least one knifeman was dressed in Islamic clothing, French media report
Vatican condemns 'barbaric' killing as anti-terror investigation is launched


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3708394/Two-men-armed-knives-people-hostage-French-church.html#ixzz4FVpJclgN
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jollyjacktar said:
As far as I'm concerned, anyone, who would listen to, give credence to or join daesh and the like show signs of serious mental retardation.  Without exception.
Problem is:  what do you call someone who's unstable in general, doesn't get the help s/he needs, then latches on to AQ/ISIS/whatever?
jollyjacktar said:
Another terrorist attack in France ...
More from Google News on this one here.
 
milnews.ca said:
Problem is:  what do you call someone who's unstable in general, doesn't get the help s/he needs, then latches on to AQ/ISIS/whatever?

Fair enough.  Mentally ill then, that should be broad stroked enough to take in all the various mental defects one would need to believe what, AQ/ISIS/whatever, believes in faith as truth.
 
Church hostage situation in France ends with priest, 2 attackers dead

Two attackers took hostages inside a French church during morning mass on Tuesday near the city of Rouen, killing a priest by slitting his throat before being shot and killed by police, French officials said.

ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attack.

More at link:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/france-hostage-church-1.3695017
 
Sure ISIS sounds bad but we're not even at war with them.  We really should be worried about Russians.  Don't forget if we kill ISIS members they win. 
 
milnews.ca said:
Problem is:  what do you call someone who's unstable in general, doesn't get the help s/he needs, then latches on to AQ/ISIS/whatever?More from Google News on this one here.

I've taken to referring to them as 'radicalized losers'. Socioeconomic failures; the dude in his 30s whose family comes apart and who loses his dead end job, etc. The early 20s social recluse who holds a grudge. Used to be these guys would shoot up their workplace or college, but now they're being sought out and latched on to by ideological attack planners, and being convinced they can redeem some meaning in their life with an act of martyrdom to a recently (re)discovered faith.

A theory on my part, but I think it holds water. Unfortunately the only real fix is for society to do its best to mitigate the factors that push individual members of already at-risk minority communities into that degree of nihilism.
 
Brihard said:
I've taken to referring to them as 'radicalized losers' ...
Maybe (only) a touch harsh, but that feels like at least a reasonable fit.

Brihard said:
... the only real fix is for society to do its best to mitigate the factors that push individual members of already at-risk minority communities into that degree of nihilism.
And that's what makes it hard to solve, like "curing" suicide in society - LOTS of levers that may need jiggling at the same time.
 
Jarnhamar said:
Sure ISIS sounds bad but we're not even at war with them.  We really should be worried about Russians.  Don't forget if we kill ISIS members they win.

Listen... the cold warriors are tired of asymmetric ops and want to get back to real soldiering and reliving glories from the 1980's. Get on the train
 
"they're being sought out and latched on to by ideological attack planners"  You are correct, we cannot win by trying to intercept every radical.  It is like playing wack a mole.  So go after the ideological attack planners and eliminate them, totally.  As Hollande has declared in France, declare war on ISIS and go after them with everything in the arsenal. 
 
Halifax Tar said:
Church hostage situation in France ends with priest, 2 attackers dead

Two attackers took hostages inside a French church during morning mass on Tuesday near the city of Rouen, killing a priest by slitting his throat before being shot and killed by police, French officials said.

ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attack ...
Get this ...
Security forces in France are again in the spotlight after it emerged one of the men behind the murder of a priest in Normandy was wearing an electronic tag. It is now known that Adel Kermiche twice attempted to travel to Syria and was under house arrest. The tag was turned off for a few hours each morning to allow him to leave home - and it was in this time that Kermiche and another attacker slit 86-year-old Father Jacques Hamel's throat. Both men were shot dead by police but no details of the second man have yet emerged ...
I know there's got to be more to this than just what we read, especially out of initial reports, but really?  :facepalm:
 
Good article.

Jihadi France: A dark colonial past. Ghettoes. The threat of an Islamic insurgency... and this is just the beginning of unprecedented bloodshed

By John R Bradley For The Daily Mail

Published: 00:18 GMT, 28 July 2016  | Updated: 09:16 GMT, 28 July 2016

The statistics are stomach-churning: almost 250 innocents have been murdered in France in the past 18 months by terrorists — more than the total number of French nationals killed by them in the entire 20th century.

But as the country reels from the latest ISIS atrocity — the beheading of a beloved elderly priest at the altar of his Catholic church in a quiet Normandy village — the fear is that this wave of unprecedented bloodshed marks only the opening salvo.

And that it may, with terrifying speed, turn into what the deranged homegrown Isis footsoldiers have as their ultimate goal: the instigation of a full-blown Islamist insurgency in France.

The embattled, deeply unpopular French President, Francois Hollande, has repeatedly declared that his country is now at war. Only the most optimistic observer would dare to challenge that assessment given the tragic pattern of recent events.

Still, while the bumbling president is bearing the brunt of the French people's boiling anger, the reality is that he cannot be blamed, simplistically, for the sudden emergence of terrorism on French soil.

In fact, the unprecedented recent carnage has been decades in the making — and will almost certainly take decades more to resolve, whoever wins the French presidential elections next year.

Brutal

For the radicalisation of a small, but significant, Muslim minority intent on joining the jihad is, in part, the consequence of the nation's bloody colonial past and its failure to integrate its vast Muslim population.

The history of France's brutal response to Algeria's fight against its colonial rule between 1954 and 1962 left a deep and lingering sense of resentment that festers to this day.

The eight-year war ranks among the bloodiest conflicts of the past century.

The French set up concentration camps, tortured prisoners and carried out mass executions of civilians suspected of helping the rebels fighting for independence.

Amid accusations of genocide, the death toll rose to anything between 500,000 and 1 million.

Even after independence was declared in 1962, there was more atrocity to come.

Thousands of Muslim Algerian 'Harkis' — pro-French volunteers — who had fought alongside French troops were abandoned to face bloody reprisals in their homeland.

Estimates are that at least 30,000 — possibly as many as 150,000 — were slaughtered by their fellow countrymen. The wave of immigration of Algerians and north Africans to France following independence led to a vast increase in the number of Muslims.

Today, between 10 and 15 per cent of France's population of 63 million are Muslim — the highest percentage of any European country.

However, instead of being integrated into mainstream French society, the first wave of immigrants was concentrated in the impoverished, soulless suburbs of Paris and other major cities, known as banlieues.

And their offspring mostly remain in them today.

These banlieues are characterised by high unemployment and poverty. While the average French youth unemployment rate is an admittedly shocking 23.3 per cent, for the millions of first- and second-generation Arab and north African immigrants living in the suburbs of Paris, the youth unemployment is 50 per cent or more.

Meanwhile, the French authorities turned a blind eye as local mosques were taken over by radical imams preaching hatred of Jews and Christians.

It is not difficult to understand why the young people in these grim housing estates have proved such fertile ground for Isis recruiters.

There is, of course, another obvious result of poverty, unemployment and a deep sense of discrimination and hopelessness: high crime rates.

Depressingly, up to 60 per cent of French prisoners are Muslims and, in turn, prisons have predictably become recruiting grounds for radical Islamist recruiters.

Indeed, in this regard, a clear pattern is emerging regarding the recent attacks in France. For instance, the Isis recruit who massacred 84 people by driving his lorry through crowds celebrating Bastille Day in Nice was 'known' to police for criminal activity, but not for terror-related issues.

So it seems highly likely that he — and many others like him — was brainwashed with alarming ease by the Isis criminal underworld and its slick internet recruitment propaganda.

Following the attacks at the Bataclan theatre and other locations in Paris last November, the French authorities finally seemed to wake up to the nightmare on their doorstep — but their response was hardly what the French people might have hoped for.

For example, a programme of 're-education' and 'rehabilitation' was introduced inside the prison system.

However, this softly-softly approach was the equivalent of the UK Government sending in a team of do-gooders to the Maze prison in Belfast at the height of the Troubles, in order to convince the Irish Republican terrorists there that blowing up innocent people really was not a very gentlemanly thing to do.

After the state of emergency was declared following the Paris attacks, there were 3,549 police raids, 407 people were placed under house arrest, 743 arms caches were seized, and 395 arrests were made — while 344 people were placed in detention and a number of mosques were closed.

Chilling

But, again, those statistics, rather than reassuring, perhaps highlight more the terrifying magnitude of the problem. Indeed, they probably represent just the tip of the iceberg that is France's enemy within.

For even in the midst of the crackdown — and during the state of emergency — terror attacks continued, including the stabbing of a policeman at his home, followed by the murder of his wife in front of their three-year-old son.

What is truly chilling is that one of the youths who slaughtered the Catholic priest had already been arrested and jailed for terrorist offences after trying to join Isis in Syria — yet he was still free to roam the streets.

Just as shockingly, the authorities had no inkling of the Nice truck driver's Islamist leanings, even though he was a known criminal.

Alas, as the German government wakes up to its own terrorist horror, it is making all the same mistakes as the French.

The one million-plus young Muslim, mostly male, refugees and economic migrants welcomed into the country last year by Angela Merkel are being placed in their own hostels and housing estates — in some ways the equivalent of the French banlieues — rather than being slowly integrated into German society.

Meanwhile, a much-touted 'five-point plan' for dealing with Islamist prison radicalisation in Germany — similar to the one introduced in France — has been proved to be a useless exercise in wishy-washy liberalism.

What does all this mean for Britain? Are we any safer than France or Germany?

Lessons

The fact that we are outside Europe's border-free Schengen Area, together with our stricter gun laws, makes it harder to possess the sort of assault rifles used in the Paris attacks.

But it's no safeguard against an Isis-inspired lorry driver or a knife-wielding fanatic.

A more important factor in Britain's favour is the extraordinary skill of GCHQ and our security services, and the unusual level of co-operation and information-sharing that exists between them and the police.

This is partly the result of bitter lessons learnt during the Northern Ireland conflict.

Yet it cannot keep us safe for ever. As the UK intelligence services warn of imminent Isis-inspired attacks in Britain, the lessons from Europe are clear.

While clearly distinguishing between the overwhelming majority of British Muslims who loathe Islamic State and the minority of radical Islamists who are inspired by the group, our government must adopt a zero-tolerance policy to anyone expressing any kind of support for terrorism.

But, above all, it must make massive funding to our intelligence services a top priority, so that they can continue to hunt down and incarcerate the many hundreds of Islamists among us who wish to do us harm.
John R. Bradley's latest book is After The Arab Spring: How Islamists Hijacked The Middle East Revolts.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3711786/Jihadi-France-dark-colonial-past-Ghettoes-threat-Islamic-insurgency.html#ixzz4FhajLvpB
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Interesting bit from an interesting piece ...
... Not long after the Charlie Hebdo attack of 2015, Daesh published an essay in its magazine Dabiq titled “The Extinction of the Gray Zone.” The same issue contained graphic photos of the gruesome execution of Jordanian fighter pilot Lt. Muath Al Kasasbeh, a Muslim who recently completed the Hajj before his plane went down in Syria.

The “Gray Zone” is the group’s name for any place where there is pluralism and multiculturalism. For Daesh’s apocalyptic ideology, a pluralistic and inclusive society is repulsive and must be destroyed. To further that goal, the group seeks to widen the differences which exist, by definition, in a pluralistic community.

In other words, it’s a wedge strategy. And once the Islamic State can drive enough of a wedge between Muslims and non-Muslims, it can more easily radicalize and recruit.

Daesh is at war with the West, but it’s also at war with other Muslims who reject its theology — which is most of them. This year Dabiq published a “hit list” of prominent western Muslims for its followers to kill. The list included Minnesota Rep. Keith Ellison, scholars and several counter-terrorism experts.

The group continues to kill more Muslims, as a group, than anyone else — and local Muslim fighters on the ground are doing the majority of the fighting against the Daesh’s strongholds. And the group’s attacks on multicultural spaces are not just limited to the West, as evidenced by attacks on Beirut, one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the Middle East.

But even as the world stands against them, Daesh realizes that the world is still deeply divided. In its essay about the Gray Zone, Dabiq gloats about how the group plans to exploit those divisions and tear us apart.

“The presence of the [Caliphate] magnifies the political, social, economic, and emotional impact of any operation carried out by the mujāhidīn against the enraged crusaders,” the essay stated.

“This magnified impact compels the crusaders to actively destroy the grayzone themselves [our italics], the zone in which many of the hypocrites and deviant innovators living in the West are hiding … Muslims in the crusader countries will find themselves driven to abandon their homes … as the crusaders increase persecution against Muslims living in Western lands.”

Daesh wants us to forget about the contributions of our Muslim friends and neighbors. They want us to hate and fear each other. They’re pushing for knee-jerk backlashes.

They want us to ignore Zalmay Khalilzad, the Afghan American and lifelong Republican who served as the Bush administration’s ambassador to both Iraq and Afghanistan.
Grave of Staff Sgt. Ayman Taha, 5th Special Forces Group. Arlington National Cemetery photo

They want us to forget Staff Sgt. Ayman Taha, the Sudanese-born economist who became a Green Beret and died fighting jihadists in Iraq. They want us to forget Ahmed Merabet, the French Muslim cop gunned down by jihadists as he responded to the Charlie Hebdo attacks.

And they especially want us to forget that since 9/11, no fewer than 54 jihadist terror suspects or perpetrators came to authorities’ attention as a result of initial tips from America’s 3.3 million Muslim citizens.

( ... )

We need to acknowledge the threat of jihadist radicalism while at the same time not overstating it. Denying it is counter-productive, and does little to help Muslims fighting to counter it in their communities. But overstating it can lead to terrible policies that fail to solve problems, or make them worse ...
 
The response needs to be widely distributed and immediate; sheepdog, not sheep:

http://dailysignal.com/2016/07/28/lets-roll-why-standing-up-to-a-terrorist-is-your-best-self-defense/

COMMENTARY
Let’s Roll: Why Standing Up to a Terrorist Is Your Best Self-Defense
Glen Butler / July 28, 2016 / 8 comments 4.6k

Glen Butler is a U.S. Marine from Virginia. The opinions expressed here are his personal views.

After the carnage like we’ve witnessed in American cities such as San Bernardino and Orlando, and more recently in Europe, the national conversation tends to shift temporarily back toward gun control legislation and how to best protect ourselves in the homeland from future terrorist attacks.

On 9/11, Todd Beamer’s simple “Let’s roll” directive inspired his fellow United Airlines Flight 93 passengers, and now stands as enduring testament to real American grit.

Sadly, however, what is always absent from these post-tragedy conversations is any mention of one change with enormous potential to save lives—one which would not require controversial legislation, millions of dollars, nor procurement of expensive advanced technologies. This change includes an overdue re-examination of how unarmed civilians should respond during these events, including how federal, state, and local authorities tell the public to respond.

Most every American has at some point either discussed or practiced an “active shooter response” based on guidance developed by the Department of Homeland Security.

Originally created, in part, as a buffer against potential lawsuits in the wake of a Nebraska mall shooting in late 2007, the guidance teaches us to run away if possible, hide if you are unable to escape, and fight back only as a last resort.

Today, “Run, Hide, Fight” is taught to everyone and mandated not only by the DHS, but also by the FBI, law enforcement…and even the military, including for its own members. Fear of lawsuits (by grieving family members of victims who fought back) still drives this and indirectly paralyzes everyone into watching helplessly as the active shooter and terrorist menace rampages.

Despite this public mandate to run away or cower when under attack, America vigorously celebrates those who violate this edict and confront the threat.

Three Americans were among those who famously thwarted an attack on a Paris train in August of last year; they’ve enjoyed celebrity status in the months since. Numerous other examples exist of average Americans bucking their government’s guidance, ignoring their survival instincts, and doing the right thing to help save others, and themselves.

Deciding how to respond in such a scenario is a personal choice, and it would be callous to criticize others who have experienced such trauma, no matter their response.

But the mere suggestion of confrontation has somehow become controversial. Recall the widespread criticism of former presidential candidate Ben Carson in October when he said “I would not just stand there and let him shoot me … I would ask everybody to attack” in response to a question about the shooting at an Oregon community college. The world was aghast he would say such a thing.

Nevertheless, consider that in 2012 the Aurora, Colorado, theater gunman who killed 20 people and injured 70 had enough time to leisurely fire 76 shots without confrontation, and was standing casually outside the theater before the arrival of police, who initially mistook him for one of their own.

More recently, an Orlando survivor told CNN he was hiding in the bathroom stall when the gunman’s gun jammed, and he initially thought someone would then use that pause to rush the attacker. “But no one did,” he said. That’s because they were all simply doing what they’ve been told to do, countless times.

The mindset that we are helpless without weapons is not only self-defeating, but dangerous, and government policy that reinforces this perception is a flawed one.

A September 2013 FBI report found that of the 160 active shooter incidents in the U.S. between 2010 and 2013, 21 (13.1 percent) ended after unarmed citizens made the “selfless and deeply personal choices” to confront the active shooters. In each of these cases, the citizens “safely and successfully disrupted the shootings” and “likely saved the lives” of many others present.

Another compelling reason to consider change is because future attacks are inevitable, and relying on police rescue might actually lower your own chance of survival.

The 2013 FBI report found that of those 160 active shooter incidents—incidents that generated 1,043 total casualties—60 percent ended before police arrived. These disturbing numbers warrant attention, especially when examined alongside CIA Director John Brennan’s recent remarks: “ISIL has a large cadre of Western fighters who could potentially serve as operatives for attacks in the West … our efforts have not reduced the group’s terrorism capability and global reach … [and] we judge that it will intensify its global terror campaign.”

Finally, our government-mandated response guidance is based on outdated models.

Al-Qaeda’s recent Inspire magazine told its U.S. supporters to wage a “knife jihad” and stab civilians like they’re all “Israeli Jews.” A 17-year-old Afghan “refugee” recently attacked passengers in this manner on a German train, and an elderly Catholic priest was similarly butchered during a Mass in France.

Does it make any sense to hide behind a desk while a jihadi terrorist slowly slices your co-workers, fellow students, or other Americans to death with a knife or machete? Wouldn’t it be more practical, ethical, and effective to rush blade-wielding terrorists as soon as possible?

Ultimately, this is something Americans should discuss, pundits should debate, and government officials should examine.

On 9/11, Todd Beamer’s simple “Let’s roll” directive inspired his fellow United Airlines Flight 93 passengers, and now stands as enduring testament to real American grit.

It’s time we stop training to be lambs for the slaughter and have a national conversation about standing up to terrorists—a conversation that, for once, isn’t linked to either arming everyone with guns or to legislatively taking away those same weapons. It’s time to arm ourselves with knowledge about the benefits of action, and with training for such methods of defense and deterrence.

After all, you don’t need to be a Navy SEAL or a SWAT team leader to be a hero. You just need to reflect on the current plan’s flaws and be willing to take a better approach, to stand up together against the evil.

Let’s roll, America!
 
Just a side note and a sign of progress that many have been calling for, apparently the muslim council of France has finally drawn a line in the sand and will not perform a muslim burial for the terrorist who executed the priest.

Bravo gentlemen.

Sorry, no link.  If I find one I'll post it.
 
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