LAV 6.0

[childs56]

I don’t think you actually understand how they are are constructed.

Welded hull, with boxy things inside and stiffening. Full of electronic stuff for the RWS, The pictures of the interior show its hull very well.

The CAF got a terrible version to actually do anything with.

Not really sure that there is a good version of the vehicle.

You can’t just convert it (easily) to a different model.

Why not? They were built with upgrades/ different configurations in mind. We just don't want to mount a 90mm low recoil gun on ours.

The ensure vehicle needs to be cut open and rebuilt.

Remove all the RWS gear, cut the roof install outward hatch doors move stiffeners outwards, add ammo rack, put base plate in place, install tube. add big heater, install SCOP kit for rain protection. Add GPMG mount above passenger seat.

 

[GK .Dundas]

Not really sure that there is a good version of the vehicle.

Why not? They were built with upgrades/ different configurations in mind. We just don't want to mount a 90mm low recoil gun on ours

I think I may set up a pool on how it is before we do try and mount a 90 mm low pressure gun.
Having followed the long conveluted and somewhat odd history of the TAPV.
Working on the theory of if it's the worst possible thing we could do.... we'll give that old college try.
Cost and occasionally the laws of physics be damned.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Well at least we can wear this cool shirt

 

[KevinB]

Commando® Family of Products

Enhanced combination of lethality, survivability, mobility and sustainability

www.textronsystems.com

The CAF picked the worse possible option.

It doesn't have room to be an effective mortar setup -- best just give them to the MP's to do BDF and Escort work - or the PRes to make them feel like they have a real vehicle...

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Commando® Family of Products

Enhanced combination of lethality, survivability, mobility and sustainability

www.textronsystems.com

The CAF picked the worse possible option.

- or the PRes to make them feel like they have a real vehicle...

That's what they did. Most of the Armoured units got some. Better than the armoured G-wagon though.

 

[GK .Dundas]

Well at least we can wear this cool shirt

That is so cool and absolutely will have you in front of the RSM in no time flat!

 

[AC 011]

The CAF picked the worse possible option.

It doesn't have room to be an effective mortar setup -- best just give them to the MP's to do BDF and Escort work - or the PRes to make them feel like they have a real vehicle...

It's a solid 'F', for both Effort and Outcome, on that.

 

[childs56]

I think I may set up a pool on how it is before we do try and mount a 90 mm low pressure gun.
Having followed the long conveluted and somewhat odd history of the TAPV.
Working on the theory of if it's the worst possible thing we could do.... we'll give that old college try.
Cost and occasionally the laws of physics be damned.

Textron Systems designed and built it. I want to watch the video.

Seriously it might not be bad platform to add the surveillance mast, maybe a Mortar version. This way it could be utilized around base defense force or even patrol routes. Minds well put it to good use.

 

[Kirkhill]

M1117 ASV

Specifications
Mass	29,560 lb (13,410 kg) (curb)
Length	237 inches (6.0 m)
Width	101 inches (2.6 m)
Height	102 inches (2.6 m)
Crew	5

Ground Clearance 0.46 m
Hull Roof Height 2.05 m
14.00 R20 run flat tires

TAPV

Specifications
Mass	14,743 kg (32,503 lb) (curb, no armour), 17,743 kg (39,117 lb) (GVW, no armour), 16,435 kg (36,233 lb) (curb, with armour), 18,482 kg (40,746 lb) (GVW, with armour)
Length	6.31 m (248 in)
Width	2.75 m (108 in)
Height	3.225 m (127 in)
Crew	3 (commander, driver and gunner), 3 (passengers)

Ground Clearance 0.635 m
Hull Roof Height 2.39 m
16.00 R20 run flat tires

Eliminate extra armour
Reduce clearance to M1117's .46 m from TAPV's 0.635 m

Remove tire and crane from roof
Install drop down tire carrier on front lower glacis.

Report back.
https://militarytires.ca/product/16-00r20-michelin-xzl-on-wheel/

 

[GR66]

M1117 ASV

Specifications
Mass	29,560 lb (13,410 kg) (curb)
Length	237 inches (6.0 m)
Width	101 inches (2.6 m)
Height	102 inches (2.6 m)
Crew	5

Ground Clearance 0.46 m
Hull Roof Height 2.05 m
14.00 R20 run flat tires

TAPV

Specifications
Mass	14,743 kg (32,503 lb) (curb, no armour), 17,743 kg (39,117 lb) (GVW, no armour), 16,435 kg (36,233 lb) (curb, with armour), 18,482 kg (40,746 lb) (GVW, with armour)
Length	6.31 m (248 in)
Width	2.75 m (108 in)
Height	3.225 m (127 in)
Crew	3 (commander, driver and gunner), 3 (passengers)

Ground Clearance 0.635 m
Hull Roof Height 2.39 m
16.00 R20 run flat tires

Eliminate extra armour
Reduce clearance to M1117's .46 m from TAPV's 0.635 m

Remove tire and crane from roof
Install drop down tire carrier on front lower glacis.

Report back.
16.00R20 Michelin XZL on Wheel | Military Tires

Instead of re-designing the vehicle just find roles that it can fulfil reasonably in it's current configuration. It has a RWS already. SHORAD, N-LOS ATGM or C-UAS versions could work well on the TAPV or possibly EW systems.

 

[KevinB]

Instead of re-designing the vehicle just find roles that it can fulfil reasonably in its current configuration. It has a RWS already. SHORAD, N-LOS ATGM or C-UAS versions could work well on the TAPV or possibly EW systems.

—-> Base Defense and Convoy Escort.

It can’t add anything viable with SHORAD, etc as it doesn’t have the internal storage or the ability to put more weight up top.

There are LAV variants of Mortar carriers, MSHORAD, NLOS ATGM’s, C-UAS, and EW already. Why to try shoehorn god money after bad on the TAPV.

 

[TangoTwoBravo]

This thread proves the First Immutable Law of Army.ca that all threads eventually decay to dress discussions (the shirt shown above), but also the Second Immutable Law that all threads decay to a discussion of the TAPV.

The Third Immutable Law is that all threads decay to a Reserve Restructure discussion.

 

[Kirkhill]

This thread proves the First Immutable Law of Army.ca that all threads eventually decay to dress discussions (the shirt shown above), but also the Second Immutable Law that all threads decay to a discussion of the TAPV.

The Third Immutable Law is that all threads decay to a Reserve Restructure discussion.

Army.ca versions of entropy.

 

[Kirkhill]

M1117 ASV

Specifications
Mass	29,560 lb (13,410 kg) (curb)
Length	237 inches (6.0 m)
Width	101 inches (2.6 m)
Height	102 inches (2.6 m)
Crew	5

Ground Clearance 0.46 m
Hull Roof Height 2.05 m
14.00 R20 run flat tires

TAPV

Specifications
Mass	14,743 kg (32,503 lb) (curb, no armour), 17,743 kg (39,117 lb) (GVW, no armour), 16,435 kg (36,233 lb) (curb, with armour), 18,482 kg (40,746 lb) (GVW, with armour)
Length	6.31 m (248 in)
Width	2.75 m (108 in)
Height	3.225 m (127 in)
Crew	3 (commander, driver and gunner), 3 (passengers)

Ground Clearance 0.635 m
Hull Roof Height 2.39 m
16.00 R20 run flat tires

Eliminate extra armour
Reduce clearance to M1117's .46 m from TAPV's 0.635 m

Remove tire and crane from roof
Install drop down tire carrier on front lower glacis.

Report back.
16.00R20 Michelin XZL on Wheel | Military Tires

Each of the TAPV's four wheels weigh about 285 kilograms (650 lbs.) each — so heavy that a roof-mounted crane is needed to deploy the spare tire ...

Windsor Regiment shows off new Tactical Armoured Patrol Vehicle

The Tactical Armoured Patrol Vehicle (TAPV) is the Windsor Regiment's newest piece of heavy hardware, courtesy of the Canadian Armed Forces.

windsorstar.com

So, with the crane.... 500 kg of top hamper, on top of extra armour? Jacked up 6 inches to gain additional ground clearance?

 

[KevinB]

Windsor Regiment shows off new Tactical Armoured Patrol Vehicle

The Tactical Armoured Patrol Vehicle (TAPV) is the Windsor Regiment's newest piece of heavy hardware, courtesy of the Canadian Armed Forces.

windsorstar.com

So, with the crane.... 500 kg of top hamper, on top of extra armour? Jacked up 6 inches to gain additional ground clearance?

I believe the 6" was also to gain additional stand off from dug in IED. Frankly the tire could (should) have been mounted on the front - which would have added both weight below the CoG to help reduce that - as well as an additional buffer for front explosions.
One could then do away with the HIAB Crane and reduce the GVW as well as the CoG.

Nothing relevant to the LAV 6.0 however

 

[IKnowNothing]

Nothing relevant to the LAV 6.0 however

Surprise GoC funding to provide (solesourced) vehicles to restored AT/Mortar platoons via UOR. Option set:
A- current LAV 6.0 stocks drawn down to have turrets replaced ( in scenario GDLS-C has taken the initiative and designed tailor made turrets for each of Mortar and AT/DF with weapon system(s), sensors, FCS of choice ready to integrate in the same basket footprint)
B- LAV 6.0 fleet is left alone new ACSV variants created, one a traditional mortar carrier with a CARDOM in the back, the other @Kirkhill
C- Mortar converted 6.0 / AT new ACSV (or vice versa)

What I'm seeking to understand- desirability of turreted systems vs non in each role, measured against the tradeoff of fewer total vehicles

Option D- ignore and buy surplus Brads, place a CV90 order, etc. not an option.

 

[KevinB]

Surprise GoC funding to provide (solesourced) vehicles to restored AT/Mortar platoons via UOR. Option set:
A- current LAV 6.0 stocks drawn down to have turrets replaced ( in scenario GDLS-C has taken the initiative and designed tailor made turrets for each of Mortar and AT/DF with weapon system(s), sensors, FCS of choice ready to integrate in the same basket footprint)
B- LAV 6.0 fleet is left alone new ACSV variants created, one a traditional mortar carrier with a CARDOM in the back, the other @Kirkhill
C- Mortar converted 6.0 / AT new ACSV (or vice versa)

What I'm seeking to understand- desirability of turreted systems vs non in each role, measured against the tradeoff of fewer total vehicles

Option D- ignore and buy surplus Brads, place a CV90 order, etc. not an option.

GDLS already makes a 120mm Morats variant. The US Army has it.
Yes the turret may be nice - but already available is also nice.

 

[McG]

The tallest vehicle in the Combat Team is now the ambulance.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1715156053459963988

 

[Fabius]

That’s so the enemy can see the red crosses clearly not obscured by brush and ground.

 

[Rifleman62]

To identify Priority traffic.