NDP calls for immediate withdrawal from Afghanistan

[IN HOC SIGNO]

"...would appear that You have a problem.  How many Sailors are NDP (Not Docked Properly)?"

- And: what riding do they VOTE in?  Being in the CF, we don't all cast our federal votes where we live, do we?

But she comes to a lot of the stuff on the Base (high profile stuff).

 

[George Wallace]

Of course she does.  Photo ops.  Free finger foods.  Perhaps an afternoon schmoozing in the Wardroom over drinks (free).  Perhaps a dinner or more finger foods.  An afternoon on the water in a Government 'yacht' with Duty Free Booze and more finger foods.  More Photo ops.  Did I mention free food?

 

[TCBF]

And really, an older woman can't have TOO many men fawning over her, now can she?

 

[IN HOC SIGNO]

And really, an older woman can't have TOO many men fawning over her, now can she?

Well I haven't seen too many fawning over her...now the ex-Lt Governor....yep lots of fawning...but then she is a beautiful person, in all senses of the word and she's staying on as our Honorary Captain (N).

Stoffer, McDonagh, the mayor Peter Kelly and the Senator there....the one who's head of the Senate Defence Committee were all down here for the JTFA Ch of Command ceremony in August and butter wasn't melting in any of their mouths...but come to think of it a lot of the free rations were!!

 

[TCBF]

"she is a beautiful person, in all senses of the word and she's staying on as our Honorary Captain (N)."

- So, you have an Honourary Captain who would shut you all down or dragoon you into enforcing the collectivization of Alberta in a minute if she had the power.  Huh?

 

[Zell_Dietrich]

I ran into a hard core NDP supporter this weekend, (friend of a friend)  there was a blurb on the TV about the war in Afghanistan and he started on about how we should support the troops and bring them home.  I did more than my fair share to not start it up (being a guest in my friend's home) but when he said that the Canadian troops were propping up an illegitimate corrupt government just so we can take their oil I couldn't take any more.

    After 5 minutes I got him to understand that we are not in Iraq.  (It was hard,  and I almost had to bring out a map,  but he clearly had mentally linked the two) I then explained how Canada exports more oil than we produce (we are the largest supplier of oil to America - he was shocked) Then I asked him to speak up if he disagreed with any of the following points:

* The taliban has openly supported/aided terrorist organisations that have attacked us
* The taliban has openly supported/aided terrorist groups that have both the means and the intention to attack us
* Those terrorist groups said they would attack again,  they didn't single out only America, Canada was on their hitlist too.

Me" So you agree with all of the above"?  He said begrudgingly" yes". Me "So they posed a real threat to the safety of our people, yes?"  Him "Yes"

Okay now  ( http://www.canada-afghanistan.gc.ca/active-role-en.asp )

* Canada has gone in and has cleared farmers fields of Mines,  allowing people a better standard of living
* Canada has delivered food aid and started several programs to kick start the economy and infrastructural development in Afghanistan

(His eyes were glazed over after I mentioned only three of them)

Now if we left
*It is extremely likely that the Taliban would swiftly take over.
* if they gained controll again,  they would be emboldened and be even more aggressive towards is and even more horrible to their population (epically the women)
*If we pull out before Afghanistan can keep itself stable we would definitely suffer horrible consequences

  He then coincided that I was right. 

    I hear NDPers say all the time "It isn't balanced,  it isn't Canadian"  If you simply list other aspects of what is going on they kinda get overwhelmed and realised they're not as well informed as they ought to be.  I think they only are "kind of" paying attention and they think we're in Iraq and they only think about it when they hear of a loss on our side or of civilian deaths.  If that is all you understand of the situation,  you'd want to pull out too; you wouldn't see any value in staying.

    This issue is quite painfull for me,  I agree with the NDP on so many other issues,  but this simply is a veto issue for me.  I can't stand soundbite politics and policy dictated by opinion polls insted of reasoned INFORMED debates.  I think we should demand a higher standard.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Zell- that's too much time and effort for one person, especially when a throat punch would do nicely.

 

[paracowboy]

Canadian troops were propping up an illegitimate corrupt government just so we can take their oil

did you ask him "Why would anyone be in Afghanistan for oil?"

 

[scoutfinch]

Maybe they meant natural gas  (reserves of 99.96 billion cu m as of 1 January 2002 according to the CIA World Factbook)??? But even then...???

With respect to petropolitics, I was of the impression that the only real value Afghanistan held was as a base for a pipeline? 

 

[scoutfinch]

Zell- that's too much time and effort for one person, especially when a throat punch would do nicely.

Tee hee... too funny for words, Whiskey! :argument:

 

[probum non poenitet]

Since these oil pipeline conspiracies are so prevalent, maybe it's time Jack Layton and the gang answered this simple question:

"Do you believe the U.S. Government planned and executed the attacks of September 11 in order to provide a premise for an invasion of Afghanistan?"

I would have been morbidly curious to have seen that question put forward at the NDP convention. I really don't know how many people believe that, but I'm guessing it's a few.

I think it's the philosophy which drives a lot of the 'Stop the war' crowd ... what interesting times these are ...  :brickwall:

 

[IN HOC SIGNO]

Well I haven't seen too many fawning over her...now the ex-Lt Governor....yep lots of fawning...but then she is a beautiful person, in all senses of the word and she's staying on as our Honorary Captain (N).

Stoffer, McDonagh, the mayor Peter Kelly and the Senator there....the one who's head of the Senate Defence Committee were all down here for the JTFA Ch of Command ceremony in August and butter wasn't melting in any of their mouths...but come to think of it a lot of the free rations were!!

You misread my post. Alexa is not the Honarary Capt (N). The former Lt Gov, is our Honorary Capt (N)...you are right I would have difficulty with someone who doesn't support us being a Honorary Capt (N)

 

[IN HOC SIGNO]

I'm appalled that anyone thought I was saying that Alexa McDonagh was our Honorary Capt (N) please see this to clarify the Distinguished Person who is:

http://lt.gov.ns.ca/inner/frames/honourable/content/bio.html

This lady is a class act....so TCBH...sorry if you misread my post. 

 

[TCBF]

"This lady is a class act....so TCBH...sorry if you misread my post."

- That darn TCBH is such a doofus!

;D 

 

[IN HOC SIGNO]

"This lady is a class act....so TCBH...sorry if you misread my post."

- That darn TCBH is such a doofus!

;D 

ha ha...you see Im getting old and I can't even remember your initials...lol...what was i talking about again??

 

[EXMPptbo]

Every member of the NDP must oppose "the war" If they do not they will be hounded until they do or made to leave. This is the politically correct stance within the party and the only one accepted. Funny....where is the "democratic' part or the tolerant point of view. Should be called the No Divergence Party.
Seriously, the leftist statist point of view is the same no matter what the country it is in. Pro life...BAD, Traditional marriage....BAD, Capitalism...BAD, George Bush ....VERY VERY BAD. The leftists ALWAYS side with anyone who doesn't side with either the US or Israel. I saw a line in the newspapers describing the stance as anti anti Islamofacist.
Why would this be? Because leftists are against order. The more chaotic, the better. Then they can present themselves as the solution to the problem. It happened in Russia and China. It happened in Cuba and is happening before our eyes in Venezuela.
The leftist philosophy in a nutshell is that everyone who doesn't think their way isn't fit to look after themselves and must be cared for by the "state" until they are "reeducated" in the socialist manner. Once everyone thinks their way, the state is no longer needed and all are equal.
In practice it never seems to get beyond the police state phase because those in control of everything like it that way.
Anyway, for us to leave Afghanistan at the NDP's request would soon turn into Harper's fault and who pushed for us to leave would be lost in the smoke.

 

[Zell_Dietrich]

Zell- that's too much time and effort for one person, especially when a throat punch would do nicely.

Well,  I get a different kind of satisfaction from making a person not just see that they were wrong,  but that they should be embarrassed they were so wrong.  I think I'll start up a new personal mission - every NDPer I come across I will calmly and politely explaining a few facts that I think they might not know and clear up some hasy issues like Afghanistan is not Iraq.  I know we can't publicly express our views as members of the CF,  but we certainly can have a few knock down, drag em out debates. Remember, annoying things like "facts" can screw up a really fun opinion. :warstory:

    This New mission will, of course, be in addition to my current mission to stop people using Good as an adverb.

Me: "How did your date go?"  Friend: "Oh it went good" 

(Now that gets a throat punch, Unless if you're ESL, then you get calmly corrected)

 

[TCBF]

So, are your corrections going WELL?

;D

 

[Zell_Dietrich]

I'm batting 3 out of four.  I run into allot of NDPers (I live downtown Toronto)  the only one that got away I couldn't clear up more fundamental issues like "why we went to Afghanistan in the first place" and he couldn't see the inherent hypocrisy in wanting to send troops to Darfur while still wanting to pull out of Afghanistan.  He told me that Afghanistan was a civil war we had no right to get involved in and then things kinda went down hill when I thought he implied I wanted to be 'inappropriate' with Afghan women....  He said some other things I wont repeat here,  I'll wait a bit and then confirm that it is really what he meant... then I'll be happy to post his URL,  he is a former candidate for the NDP.

    Anyone else have interesting conversations with NDPers regarding their "support the troops" campaign?

 

[larry Strong]

Haven't run into too many of them out here in central Alberta ;D