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Sorry, I was talking about "voter fraud" not "voter suppression/caging."
Presidential election may be up for grabs
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Sorry, I was talking about "voter fraud" not "voter suppression/caging."
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Is Mason Dixon not a Republic leaning outfit? I wonder what a PPP (Democratic) poll would look like, probably showing Obama having double digit leads across the board. My understanding is that Mason Dixon uses tunrout projections very similar to 2004, which is a false assumption in my opinion. The truth is somewhere between PPP and Mason Dixon.
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This next bit of news is slightly off topic:
Breaking News from ABCNEWS
Barack Obama's Grandmother Passes Away [4:35 p.m. ET]
Maybe this will silence those who said his flight to Hawai'i to visit her was some sort of political stunt.
Best wishes to Sen. Obama and his family.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/11/obamas-grandmot.html
Breaking News from ABCNEWS
Barack Obama's Grandmother Passes Away [4:35 p.m. ET]
Maybe this will silence those who said his flight to Hawai'i to visit her was some sort of political stunt.
Best wishes to Sen. Obama and his family.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/11/obamas-grandmot.html
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5077496.ece
There is a sense of excitement among a unit of soldiers sent to Iraq from Alaska as Election Day dawns, with the added intrigue that one among their ranks could become the son of the next vice president of the United States.
Despite such an historic day at home, it will still be business as usual for the 1st Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division, which includes Private First Class Track Palin, the 19-year-old son of Republican Sarah Palin, John McCain’s running-mate.
She is also Governor of Alaska and an honorary member of the 4,100-strong force, which has been rotating into bases and outposts across the vast province of Diyala, northeast of Baghdad, for the past month.
Colonel Burt Thompson, commander of the brigade, is focused on the mission ahead, to provide stability to Diyala, once a hotbed of al-Qaeda activity. He noted, however, that the US elections are an exciting time.
“I think our soldiers are excited about it, our nation is excited about it,” Colonel Thompson told The Times at his office on War Horse, a sprawling US base just outside Baquba, the provincial capital of Diyala.
Everyone in his unit, also known as the Arctic Wolves, had the chance to cast an absentee ballot, but they were advised against revealing their choice to the media. “I think our nation is ready for some change, a little bit of something different, whether that be [John] McCain or [Barack] Obama or whatever,” he said.
The commander, an enthusiastic soldier with big ambitions for Diyala, acknowledged the unique aspect of having Private First Class Palin in his force, but stressed that the young man just wants to be left to do his job.
“He is an air-guard, which means he pulls security for a Stryker vehicle,” Colonel Thompson said, describing the dark green combat vehicle that most his troops roll around in. It looks a bit like a tank with wheels instead of tracks.
“He’s a good soldier,” he added.
With so much to achieve over the coming year, the recently-arrived brigade is more focused on assisting the local security forces and the Diyala government than on who is going to be their next commander in chief, though the presidential elections are still a talking point for some during downtime.
Sergeant Richard Boone, 30, was born and raised in southern Alaska on a diet of moose and grizzly bear, both of which he still hunts.
“Black bear is greasy, grizzly bear is much nicer but you cannot beat moose,” said the father-of-three, on his second tour to Iraq.
He noted a change in this mission from his last deployment in 2005 to Mosul, further north, and Baghdad, when attacks were more frequent and US forces had the lead. This time the Iraqi army and police are in front.
As for the elections, Sergeant Boone applauded Governor Palin for boosting Alaska’s profile. “It is amazing. Finally Alaska is on the map for something. Before, we were just known as a state that is very cold,” he said, speaking outside a mansion on the west-side of the city, which has been converted into a base.
First Lieutenant Aaron Treesh, like a majority of the brigade, is not a native Alaskan. The 24-year-old, from Kentucky, is on his first tour to Iraq, and is looking forward to the elections.
“It is going to have a big impact,” he said, noting the differing views of the two candidates with regards to Iraq.
Not everyone in the brigade is bothered about the elections back home. Private Isaac Hunter, a 21-year-old originally from Texas, is more interested in working out inside a makeshift gym at a school on the east of Baquba that has also been turned into a base.
“I do not follow politics at all. I am just here to do my job” he said.
“On election day I will probably be thinking about what muscle group I will be working on.”
There is a sense of excitement among a unit of soldiers sent to Iraq from Alaska as Election Day dawns, with the added intrigue that one among their ranks could become the son of the next vice president of the United States.
Despite such an historic day at home, it will still be business as usual for the 1st Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division, which includes Private First Class Track Palin, the 19-year-old son of Republican Sarah Palin, John McCain’s running-mate.
She is also Governor of Alaska and an honorary member of the 4,100-strong force, which has been rotating into bases and outposts across the vast province of Diyala, northeast of Baghdad, for the past month.
Colonel Burt Thompson, commander of the brigade, is focused on the mission ahead, to provide stability to Diyala, once a hotbed of al-Qaeda activity. He noted, however, that the US elections are an exciting time.
“I think our soldiers are excited about it, our nation is excited about it,” Colonel Thompson told The Times at his office on War Horse, a sprawling US base just outside Baquba, the provincial capital of Diyala.
Everyone in his unit, also known as the Arctic Wolves, had the chance to cast an absentee ballot, but they were advised against revealing their choice to the media. “I think our nation is ready for some change, a little bit of something different, whether that be [John] McCain or [Barack] Obama or whatever,” he said.
The commander, an enthusiastic soldier with big ambitions for Diyala, acknowledged the unique aspect of having Private First Class Palin in his force, but stressed that the young man just wants to be left to do his job.
“He is an air-guard, which means he pulls security for a Stryker vehicle,” Colonel Thompson said, describing the dark green combat vehicle that most his troops roll around in. It looks a bit like a tank with wheels instead of tracks.
“He’s a good soldier,” he added.
With so much to achieve over the coming year, the recently-arrived brigade is more focused on assisting the local security forces and the Diyala government than on who is going to be their next commander in chief, though the presidential elections are still a talking point for some during downtime.
Sergeant Richard Boone, 30, was born and raised in southern Alaska on a diet of moose and grizzly bear, both of which he still hunts.
“Black bear is greasy, grizzly bear is much nicer but you cannot beat moose,” said the father-of-three, on his second tour to Iraq.
He noted a change in this mission from his last deployment in 2005 to Mosul, further north, and Baghdad, when attacks were more frequent and US forces had the lead. This time the Iraqi army and police are in front.
As for the elections, Sergeant Boone applauded Governor Palin for boosting Alaska’s profile. “It is amazing. Finally Alaska is on the map for something. Before, we were just known as a state that is very cold,” he said, speaking outside a mansion on the west-side of the city, which has been converted into a base.
First Lieutenant Aaron Treesh, like a majority of the brigade, is not a native Alaskan. The 24-year-old, from Kentucky, is on his first tour to Iraq, and is looking forward to the elections.
“It is going to have a big impact,” he said, noting the differing views of the two candidates with regards to Iraq.
Not everyone in the brigade is bothered about the elections back home. Private Isaac Hunter, a 21-year-old originally from Texas, is more interested in working out inside a makeshift gym at a school on the east of Baquba that has also been turned into a base.
“I do not follow politics at all. I am just here to do my job” he said.
“On election day I will probably be thinking about what muscle group I will be working on.”
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From the Pittsburgh Tribune Review
Barack Obama, exposed: View of constitution
By Cal Thomas
Sunday, November 2, 2008
The October surprise of this presidential election might just turn out to be a seven-year-old interview with Barack Obama in which he strongly suggests that the U.S. Constitution is an impediment to his desire to redistribute the nation's wealth.
So, how does Sen. Obama credibly take the oath of office to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" when he thinks it impedes his socialist agenda?
Is socialism too strong a word? Consider one of its definitions from dictionary.com and tell me it is something other than Obama's economic philosophy:
A theory or system of social reform which contemplates a complete reconstruction of society, with a more just and equitable distribution of property and labor.
A complete restructuring of society is what Obama advocated in a 2001 interview on a Chicago public radio station.
According to Politico.com, in that interview, Obama, "reflecting on the Warren Court's successes and failures in helping to usher-in civil rights," said, "I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples."
He has it backward. The Creator already endowed black people with these rights, which is precisely the argument powerfully made by Martin Luther King Jr. Any rights that are "vested" in people by other people may be removed by the same or future people.
Endowed rights are "unalienable" and what America did was to finally recognize those rights.
Obama continues with a comment that the "Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of the redistribution of wealth and sort of basic issues of political and economic justice in this society, and to that extent as radical as people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical."
Does he mean that for real "justice" to have been achieved, the Warren Court should have taken from the rich and given to the black poor?
Obama never said what would happen once the redistributed money ran out. Perhaps this was not to be a one-time event but a lifetime of "reparations" for slavery, as some other left-wing black leaders have proposed.
On Bill O'Reilly's Fox show last Monday night, former Democrat vice-presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro defended high taxes in New York and Obama's pledge to raise them nationally, saying, "At least they're not taking it all."
It may have been an attempt at humor but this betrays the Democratic Party's attitude: They feel they have the right to say how much of your hard-earned money you can keep.
Actually, we should be telling government how much of our money we will allow it to spend. Anyone hoping to make more money and improve his life will have to work even harder to overcome Obama's redistribution plans.
Obama thought the Warren Court should have "broken free" from the constraints placed on the Constitution and the courts by the Founding Fathers and Framers.
This is remarkable hubris.
Obama said the Constitution mostly "says what the states can't do to you ... what the federal government can't do to you, but it doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf."
That's because the Constitution is about liberty and protecting citizens from oppressive and invasive government.
This is scary stuff. That it is only now surfacing is another reminder of the poor job the mainstream media have done in vetting Obama.
Barack Obama thinks the Constitution and the country it helped create should be remade in his image. He wants to be a Founding Father of a different America, one that would bear little resemblance to the country we have known.
This is radical in the extreme and Obama, along with his many acolytes who are itching to get their hands on unchecked political power, are a danger to this nation's survival.
John McCain stands in the way of a complete liberal coup that would transform America in ways the Founders and Framers and most Americans would oppose.
McCain might be dull at times.
McCain might have run an imperfect campaign.
McCain should have spent more time exposing Obama as a radical socialist instead of worrying what the media would say if he did.
But John McCain is a patriot who has proved his love, service and dedication to this country in ways that Obama cannot begin to achieve or appreciate.
Electing Barack Obama president of the United States would be a roll of loaded dice. We will live (and possibly die) to regret it.
Republicans have made many mistakes and deserve the punishment they are now getting. But the one charge that cannot be laid at their doorstep is that they wanted to rewrite the Constitution and weaken the country.
Barack Obama will do that and more. Wake up, America, and stop flirting with this guy because you are flirting with disaster.
Cal Thomas, a USA Today and nationally syndicated columnist
Barack Obama, exposed: View of constitution
By Cal Thomas
Sunday, November 2, 2008
The October surprise of this presidential election might just turn out to be a seven-year-old interview with Barack Obama in which he strongly suggests that the U.S. Constitution is an impediment to his desire to redistribute the nation's wealth.
So, how does Sen. Obama credibly take the oath of office to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" when he thinks it impedes his socialist agenda?
Is socialism too strong a word? Consider one of its definitions from dictionary.com and tell me it is something other than Obama's economic philosophy:
A theory or system of social reform which contemplates a complete reconstruction of society, with a more just and equitable distribution of property and labor.
A complete restructuring of society is what Obama advocated in a 2001 interview on a Chicago public radio station.
According to Politico.com, in that interview, Obama, "reflecting on the Warren Court's successes and failures in helping to usher-in civil rights," said, "I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples."
He has it backward. The Creator already endowed black people with these rights, which is precisely the argument powerfully made by Martin Luther King Jr. Any rights that are "vested" in people by other people may be removed by the same or future people.
Endowed rights are "unalienable" and what America did was to finally recognize those rights.
Obama continues with a comment that the "Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of the redistribution of wealth and sort of basic issues of political and economic justice in this society, and to that extent as radical as people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical."
Does he mean that for real "justice" to have been achieved, the Warren Court should have taken from the rich and given to the black poor?
Obama never said what would happen once the redistributed money ran out. Perhaps this was not to be a one-time event but a lifetime of "reparations" for slavery, as some other left-wing black leaders have proposed.
On Bill O'Reilly's Fox show last Monday night, former Democrat vice-presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro defended high taxes in New York and Obama's pledge to raise them nationally, saying, "At least they're not taking it all."
It may have been an attempt at humor but this betrays the Democratic Party's attitude: They feel they have the right to say how much of your hard-earned money you can keep.
Actually, we should be telling government how much of our money we will allow it to spend. Anyone hoping to make more money and improve his life will have to work even harder to overcome Obama's redistribution plans.
Obama thought the Warren Court should have "broken free" from the constraints placed on the Constitution and the courts by the Founding Fathers and Framers.
This is remarkable hubris.
Obama said the Constitution mostly "says what the states can't do to you ... what the federal government can't do to you, but it doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf."
That's because the Constitution is about liberty and protecting citizens from oppressive and invasive government.
This is scary stuff. That it is only now surfacing is another reminder of the poor job the mainstream media have done in vetting Obama.
Barack Obama thinks the Constitution and the country it helped create should be remade in his image. He wants to be a Founding Father of a different America, one that would bear little resemblance to the country we have known.
This is radical in the extreme and Obama, along with his many acolytes who are itching to get their hands on unchecked political power, are a danger to this nation's survival.
John McCain stands in the way of a complete liberal coup that would transform America in ways the Founders and Framers and most Americans would oppose.
McCain might be dull at times.
McCain might have run an imperfect campaign.
McCain should have spent more time exposing Obama as a radical socialist instead of worrying what the media would say if he did.
But John McCain is a patriot who has proved his love, service and dedication to this country in ways that Obama cannot begin to achieve or appreciate.
Electing Barack Obama president of the United States would be a roll of loaded dice. We will live (and possibly die) to regret it.
Republicans have made many mistakes and deserve the punishment they are now getting. But the one charge that cannot be laid at their doorstep is that they wanted to rewrite the Constitution and weaken the country.
Barack Obama will do that and more. Wake up, America, and stop flirting with this guy because you are flirting with disaster.
Cal Thomas, a USA Today and nationally syndicated columnist
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Definitely will be interesting tomorrow. The exit polls were wrong in 2000 and 2004 so expect them to be wrong again. The only one that matterws is the one cast in the privacy of the polling booth. The first state to close will be Indiana at 1800,then its Ky and Va. If McCain wins by a large margin then Obama is in trouble and the constant stream of media polls were wrong. If he squeeks out a win then the tracking polls were mostly right and it will be close.If Obama wins Indiana then McCain is in big trouble.
The data coming out of Pennsylvania indicates problems for Obama in Philly among Reagan democrats. If he cant win Philly then he loses Pennsylvania. The same demographic is in Boston although Mass. is pretty blue with the democrats not fully unified behind Obama there could be blue state upsets.
The data coming out of Pennsylvania indicates problems for Obama in Philly among Reagan democrats. If he cant win Philly then he loses Pennsylvania. The same demographic is in Boston although Mass. is pretty blue with the democrats not fully unified behind Obama there could be blue state upsets.
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tomahawk6, Standby to swear true allegiance to President Barak Obama. 
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Baden Guy said:tomahawk6, Standby to swear true allegiance to President Barak Obama.
One of the brilliant bits of he US system is that T-6 is required to and, I have no doubt, is always willing to swear his allegiance to the flag and to the republic, and, I am certain, he will also willingly swear to defend the Constitution, but he need never swear allegiance to any man or woman.
We swear allegiance to our sovereign which is OK because, ever since 1648 and especially since 1699, we have turned the monarch into a sort of civil servant – someone paid to represent what we hold to be good and true about ourselves. See: Bagehot’s English Consitution
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Quite correct sir...but it was the Bush administration that took the country's military to war and it will be the Obama administration that the military will now serve.
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Obama hasnt been elected yet.Edward is quite correct that we swear to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;".
During my 34 years of service I served both Republican and Democrat Presidents so that isnt an issue.Unfortunately the military doesnt fare well under Democrat presidents and the follow on Republican President has to rebuild the military and so shall it be this time.
My problem with Obama is that if he were applying for a job in the military or DoD his associations would prevent him from being given a security clearance. He has made comments about why he doesnt like the Constitution - too restrictive.My biggest fear then is a constitutional crisis that could for awhile tear the country apart.But no need to get too far ahead of the game.
During my 34 years of service I served both Republican and Democrat Presidents so that isnt an issue.Unfortunately the military doesnt fare well under Democrat presidents and the follow on Republican President has to rebuild the military and so shall it be this time.
My problem with Obama is that if he were applying for a job in the military or DoD his associations would prevent him from being given a security clearance. He has made comments about why he doesnt like the Constitution - too restrictive.My biggest fear then is a constitutional crisis that could for awhile tear the country apart.But no need to get too far ahead of the game.
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Baden Guy said:
I thought that you haven't thrown in the towel yet? ;D
I take it you voted early for Senator McCain? ;D
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A little tool for tracking the election via GoogleMaps, from the "Sources and Methods" blog:
http://sourcesandmethods.blogspot.com/2008/11/track-election-results-on-google-maps.html
Still early for results now, but you might want to bookmark it for later tonight.
Enjoy!
http://sourcesandmethods.blogspot.com/2008/11/track-election-results-on-google-maps.html
Still early for results now, but you might want to bookmark it for later tonight.
Enjoy!
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Just another little election guide for today:
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tomahawk6 said:
Since much of your predictions above about Pennsylvania were wrong and seemed more like wishful thinking, see who's out of touch now?
Obama won. Time to move on.
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My sincerest congratulations to the new Commander-in-Chief :
The Constitution of the United States gives the title to the President of the United States, who "shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander-in-Chief#United_States
The Constitution of the United States gives the title to the President of the United States, who "shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander-in-Chief#United_States
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