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Quitting the Forces

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Sorry. Wasn't trying to cause any shyte. I was just a little fed up with the way the military does things sometI'mes....im sure a lot of people feel the same way i do at some point. I apologize if i offended anyone in anyways. You are right Recce......... we should get to the point and let others talk about why they feel they want to quit or already have. I didn't come here to get into insult matches with anyone
 
I'll play nice in public now. Will reserve my slings for PM's (seeing as hgrant has figured out how to PM me with one....)

Al
 
Just be civil. I'm still fighting for the same side as you. Thanks for your 2 cents though.
 
Cleaning stations have always been a bit of source of stress in the Navy,  and there those who use the routine in a manner to belittle the role of OS etc. That being said, there are military and health related reasons for cleaning stations. [read Rule Britannia for the reasons behind cleaning stations on warships.] I worked in the cafeteria party on Restigouche for 3 months, I enjoyed the break from the EW shack and that goddam POS WLR!! When my turn was up on cafeteria party, I found I had a lot more respect for the necessity of cleaning the ship. It's all about attitude, and more specifically having a positive attitude to the things you are assigned to do. If the task is a shitty one, just suck it up, get it done and do a good job of it. Make no mistake, you will be recognized for that type of attitude, but if you carry on like a little shit about it, then you are making things worse than they have to be. My .02.       
 
I give a 100% everyday....and i do the crap jobs with a smile on my face. As a junior rank i know my place. I thought this was a place where we could all discuse issues and sometimes if needed, a place to vent. I guess i was wrong.
 
Alright, I'm going to stop being nice. This is not what the thread is about. Knock it off, right now. Any more of this shyte and it get's locked. The thread has been fine to this point and it would be a shame to lock it cause some people just can't listen. Might even hand out some warnings.
 
I don't doubt that you put out 100 percent or more, and this has nothing to do with your "place."  I agreed with you that CS are not what foremost in your mind when you signed up, but it's part of military life. When 4sqn was all about training Ocdt's, guess what they were doing? Go ahead and vent, nobody's gonna flame you anymore for that ... and we're listening but that's  not going to change your situation. In whatever military you choose to settle into, there are always going to be things that piss you off .. it's all about the level of profesionalism that you believe in  ... and that's in addition to the level of professionalism that you display to your job and to your team mates and leaders. If you happen to be on a team of one ... I would think that actually simplifies the task, doesn't it?        
 
I left in 94, I had finished my degree (on my dime), and was enlisting in the Regs as an officer when I hit a large speed bump.  At that time, my first choice, Infantry, second choice, Armour, and third choice, Signals were not open to me.  I was offered a number of options to be various forms of REMF, but not one in the combat arms.  I had served in the reserves since 88, and done enough time with the PPCLI and RCHA to decide that life in the combat arms was worth doing, life as a desk-jocky-in-uniform was not.  I have nothing against the fine people in the support arms, hell, I was a signalman myself, and did a lot of paper shuffling when I had to, but to serve your country in the combat arms is worth the sacrifice of your life (as in the potential rewards and freedoms of civilian life, not simply catching a round for the flag), and being an office weasle isn't.  At the same time, the Canadian gov't has NOT done its part to force employers to allow reserve soldiers the chance to honour their obligations and retain their job.  I was forced to chose between a career that would support my new wife and coming children, or continuing as a soldier.  I have always regretted the sacrifice, because the civilian world is much less than the one we all shared.  Civilians set the bar so low, and reach it so rarely it is often hard to understand them at all.  I have never been more alive than when I served, and never worked with finer people than my fellow soldiers, but the long drawdown that Canada has been doing since the fifties has ground the hope out of more soldiers than any enemy ever did.
 
Quote,
In whatever military you choose to settle into, there are always going to be things that piss you off .


...actually in whatever career you follow,military or not.
 
"..actually in whatever career you follow,military or not. " -Bruce Monkhouse

Too true, Bruce,

To whit:

National Post, Saturday, Feb 19, 2005, page A3:

"WOMEN SUE ZOO OVER GORILLA BONDING TACTIC
Asked to display breasts" By Patricia Yollin

"The two women are seeking more than US$1-million in damages."

"...with the California Department of Fair Employment and Housing, in which they gave identical reasons for why they were fired:  "I refused to expose my breast to perform acts of bestiality with one of the gorillas."

Tom


 
Well said, you took the words right out of my mouth.


Edited for content

Perry,

This portion of the thread was already addressed. I suggest you read things a little closer and follow what the Directing Staff say about continuing flame wars.
 
I had a great time in the reserves but my career either wasn't letting me have a chance to do alot either. But as time moved on i tried the test for the reg force nd my math killed me. i was going to join artillary but they tried to waver it since i had the infantry back ground and it hadn't been that long since i was out, but Ottawa wouldn't let it happen.  :'(  so then i was waiting for the test the next summer but i met my husband and agreed that it wouldn't be fair that i would be away alot and it would break up the relationship. But i still love to remember the days in Uniform.    :cam:
 
finished my time as a soldier on contract last December. Even though my boss wanted me to stay I decided against.
Too many incompetent assholes, too many unkept promises from the politicians and the assholes from the staff, too many working hours (had a 45 hours per week contract but worked up to 75 hours per week on a regular base).

After all it was a great time, especially when I got my own platoon for the last four weeks. Although it was a lot of work and serious lack of training (was just a Sgt, never had more then 10 guys before), I loved it.

Still have to finish my mandatory annual military services though.
 
From mainerjohnthomas

"Civilians set the bar so low, and reach it so rarely it is often hard to understand them at all."

How so? Examples please.



 
Hello,

I will be starting basic on April 12, but i have a simple question that has been bothering me for a while, what will i do when i get out after 3 years. Right now I am only aiming for 3 years, who knows what will happen, maybe at the end i will make the army my life long career. But if i was to get out after 3 years I know i would be a different person. I am going for regular Infantry by the way. My plan was to go to the army for 3 years and later take college. But you never know..
My question is to the soldiers that completed there contracts. Can you tell me what you did when you left the army??, where are you working now??, did the army help you?? and it what ways...

Thanks
 
I went back to school (SAIT) to study computer programming for two years and then got a job in that field. I joined the reserves a few months after getting out of the regs and stayed in during school and while I worked until I left Canada. I joined the reserves for both the money and the camaraderie, there really is nothing like it - both good and bad  :D

I am working as a programmer in Fort Lauderdale. I will always miss my days in my old reserve unit.
 
Bicque said:
From mainerjohnthomas

"Civilians set the bar so low, and reach it so rarely it is often hard to understand them at all."

How so? Examples please.
/quote]

    I'll take examples from this week, just to limit the scope.  I was recertifying my Industrial First Aid (2) ticket this week, and ran up against the military/civilian thought barrier again.  The subjects involved were aid to a minor child without parental consent, and mouth to mouth.  In both cases, the former because touching a child if a parent was not present to consent can lead to criminal (and in some cases sexual) assault charges, even if you save said childs life; the latter because of the risk of Hep C and HIV.  I tried to understand how people who have sought out the training and responsibility to save someones life could be so willing to sit back and watch somebody die, just to protect themselves.  I was a minority of one.  The instructor, and all other 13 candidates agreed that it was foolish to put yourself at small risk to save a life.  In Mayerthorpe AB we have four officers being gunned down in the performance of their duty.  What do I read in the editorials of the Vancouver Province, do I read tributes to the noble sacrifice of these officers?  Nope, I get an editorial by a pot advocate explaining how if the police and govornment would stop trying to enforce the law, then nobody would have got hurt.  In the paper on the following day, we have a pair of interesting articles, one on international womens day, bewailing the fact that gangrape is still a popular intertribal sport in africa, and corrupt officials and police often take part, two pages previously an artical wondering why CFB Edmonton was lending APC to the RCMP.  We have a civilian population that seems to want to be protected, that objects to criminal behaviour, but objects more strongly to anyone doing anything about it.  The idea that you might have to take risks to defend your fellow citizens has passed entirely from the culture.  In the same way, communities can be terrorized by individuals for the simple reason that no one can be bothered to testify, because it might entail discord or confrontation.  We have a country that condemns attrocities committed abroad, in the same paper that condemns the use of military equipment in support of law enforcement.  We have a country that responds to every attrocity be enacting a law, but shys from enforcing them, for fear of antagonizing criminals.  The civilians I move among are largely good people, but they have the beleif that standing up for what they beleive, or to defend their neighbors is somehow wrong.  Where this beleif comes from, I don't know, I neither understand, nor share it.  I have been out now for longer than I was in in the first place, but I am ever reminded of what side of the us/them boundry I am on.
 
They don't believe in standing up for themselves or their neighbours because they are taught it is wrong.  That way, eventually, we will lose rights merely through disuse, and the social re-engineering of Canada into a one party socialist autocracy will be complete.

You don't think it was by accident that Fidel was at Trudeau's funeral, do you?

Tom
 
Good post mainer! I'm with you all the way on what you said. Civvies are so quickly becoming sheep (bleating and shitting everywhere....) and heaven forbid if the RCMP were to go in with an advantage (armoured vehicle and automatic weapons) against a nut bar. Gotta be fair to the pyschopaths, I guess.

Al
 
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