Or there was something planned that would have been too destabilizing and potentially escalatory if succesful?
The War in Ukraine
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I read it more that way, too.
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OK, I'll refine my take a bit: 85% "ya know, it could get REALLY ugly for more than just you guys if you do this" and 15% back-seat driver.
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Another reason why drones and missiles will replace guns.
Nobody has the forges and the metalworking infrastructure of the 19th century that built bridges, railways, ships, boilers, skyscrapers and Eiffel towers. That infrastructure enabled the shells of WW1 and WW2.
Now we build with silicon and carbon and a multitude of exotics.
That is what we will be throwing at each other.
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Very few places have the means of manufacturing those exotics as well.
Biggest difference between the 19th century tech and modern tech is I can set up 19th century tech and get it going from scratch, modern tech is a bit more difficult to do.
It all relies on a few countries to make it, and if they choose to withhold it you are screwed. Look at microchips for example, amazing to have but if they refuse to supply you have no alternative options.
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If people feel the need to throw things at each other they will find things to throw.
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Biden Administration Announces Additional Security Assistance for Ukraine
DOD announced additional security assistance to meet Ukraine's critical security and defense needs.
www.defense.gov
Today, the Department of Defense (DoD) announced additional security assistance to meet Ukraine's critical security and defense needs. This includes the authorization of a Presidential Drawdown Authority (PDA) package valued at up to $200 million to provide Ukraine with key capabilities, including: air defense interceptors; munitions for rocket systems and artillery; and anti-tank weapons.
In addition, DoD is announcing a significant package of support using approximately $1.5 billion in Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI) funds. This package includes capabilities to augment Ukraine's air defenses, fires, and anti-tank weapons, as well as funding to sustain equipment previously committed by the United States.
The capabilities in this announcement include:
- Munitions for National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS);
- Short- and medium-range air defense munitions;
- RIM-7 missiles for air defense;
- Electronic Warfare equipment;
- Ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS);
- 155mm and 105mm artillery rounds;
- 120mm mortar rounds;
- Precision aerial munitions;
- Tube-Launched, Optically-Tracked, Wire-Guided (TOW) missiles;
- Javelin and AT-4 anti-armor systems;
- Small arms;
- Explosives material and demolitions equipment and munitions;
- Secure communications systems;
- Commercial satellite imagery services; and
- Spare parts, maintenance and sustainment support, and other ancillary equipment.
The United States will continue to work together with some 50 Allies and partners to ensure Ukraine's brave defenders receive the critical capabilities needed to fight Russian aggression.
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Who says Russian AD systems don't work?
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Russian friendly fire shoots down Mi-8 helicopter over Donetsk
On Wednesday, July 31, a Russian Mi-8 helicopter was shot down near the occupied city of Donetsk. According to multiple Russian sources, the helicopter was inadvertently struck by its own air defense systems, which were engaged in repelling a missile and bomb attack by Ukrainian forces...
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And confirmed
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First F-16 fighter jets arrive in Ukraine, officials say
President Joe Biden gave the go-ahead in August 2023 for F-16s to be sent to Ukraine, though the U.S. will not be providing any fighter jets directly.
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Soon the Ukrainian Navy will exceed the Russian Navy in the Black Sea..
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Note Turkey is building the ships.
Ukrainian Corvette "Hetman Ivan Vyhovskyi" launched in Türkiye - Euromaidan Press
In Istanbul, the RMK Marine shipyard hosted the launch of Ukraine's second Ada-class corvette, "Hetman Ivan Vyhovskyi" (F-212), attended by prominent Ukrainian officials.
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Note Turkey is building the ships.
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Fun fact in exercise the soviets - and even the modern Russian army had a average friendly fire rate of 30%. a couple exercises back in the 80s got as high as 60%Who says Russian AD systems don't work?
Russian friendly fire shoots down Mi-8 helicopter over Donetsk
On Wednesday, July 31, a Russian Mi-8 helicopter was shot down near the occupied city of Donetsk. According to multiple Russian sources, the helicopter was inadvertently struck by its own air defense systems, which were engaged in repelling a missile and bomb attack by Ukrainian forces...
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how many own goals have they got in this conflict so far?
It’s the one they smoked last year in Sevastopol, reportedly it was under repair, and now it’s under water.
Ukraine continues to highlight Russia’s strategic loss of their ability to operate in the Black Sea and to possess a warm water naval port.
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Im not holding my breath on that one
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Russia seems to thrive on misery. They apparently don’t even put much thought into how/why the Tsar was deposed either, or Putin would have been offed over a year ago.
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Unconfirmed reports also indicate that the UAF hit the Russian airbase at Morozovsk. More info on both strikes can be found here:
Russian stuff blowing up: Ukrainian attacks devastate Russian air base, sink Russian sub
Ukraine launched a devastating attack on the Russian air base at Morozovsk. The base is reported to be the home of Russia’s 559th Bomber Aviation Regiment. It is east of Luhansk about 300 km from the front lines. This strike is like winning the lottery...
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