Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)

[Fishbone Jones]

Trudeau's negotiations with Trump:


Zero steps forward, twenty backward.

Continue to wish the incoming Trump Administration refuses loudly to interact with the Trudeau government.

You'd think he was trying to poison the well given his attack. Nobody believes his feminist shit anymore. He knows he's soon to be seen as a lame duck that people just ignore. He's almost done and could care less the condition he leaves Canada in. Except to leave it in the worst shape possible. He's only Canadian by virtue of his passport. To himself, he's a member of the global elite that doesn't believe in individual, self governed countries, like Canada.

Wait til freeland gives her update and we see how many billions over and above their stated deficit goal of $40 billion they've blown through. It's going to take the Conservatives their first four years to start pulling us out of the depression he's going to leave us in. I'll say it again. He never came in as PM to help Canada. He came in to destroy Canada. And he's done a pretty good job of that.

 

[Good2Golf]

Remind me again. When was the last time the Liberals elected a woman as a leader?

*Elsie Wayne, Kim Campbell, Rona Ambrose, Candice Bergen…oh wait…

ok.

Looks like most female voters support Teams Red, Orange and Green.

8% gender gap with Team Blue.

That an interesting take.


Don’t forget to also do the perverse arithmetic game and state…

“Looks like most Canadian voters support Teams Red, Orange, Light Blue, Green and Purple.

12% gap with Team Blue.”

(55% vs only 43%)

 

[Edward Campbell]

Today's Globe and Mail (Robert Fife and Marieke Walsh) says that:

"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has made another attempt to recruit former central banker Mark Carney at a time when tensions with Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland have risen over increased spending on political strategies, three sources say.

In recent weeks, as the government has struggled to overcome a 20-per-cent gap in the polls with the Conservatives, the sources say the former governor of both the banks of Canada and England was again approached to join the government, an offer which he is still considering.

Mr. Trudeau has previously tried to recruit Mr. Carney, including as recently as this past summer, to no avail. But two of the sources say the talks are progressing further this time. One of the sources characterized them as more advanced than in the past several years, while another said Mr. Carney is giving it serious consideration.

Although Mr. Carney was not specifically offered the finance portfolio, two of the sources said the Prime Minister and his inner circle believe it would be the only job he would accept should he decide to join the government. Mr. Carney is considered a potential successor for Mr. Trudeau.

The third source said the talks between Mr. Carney and the Prime Minister’s Office started more broadly but have become more specific in recent days. Still, they cautioned that the timing or specifics of any role has not been agreed upon.

The Globe and Mail is not identifying the sources who were not authorized to discuss the private talks.

Mr. Carney did not respond to a request for comment. The Prime Minister’s media relations director Ann-Clara Vaillancourt said: “I’m not going to engage on speculations.”

In July, Mr. Trudeau acknowledged that he had asked Mr. Carney to join the government after The Globe reported that the Prime Minister’s chief of staff Katie Telford had complained that Ms. Freeland was ineffective in communicating the Liberal’s economic agenda.

At that time, he turned down the offer but, in September, he agreed to head a Liberal Party task force on economic growth, seen by many as a rebuke of Ms. Freeland.

Relations between Ms. Freeland and the Prime Minister’s Office have chilled over increased spending that will make it difficult to meet her promised $40.1-billion deficit target in Monday’s fiscal and economic update. Keeping the deficit at or below that level was one of three self-imposed “fiscal guideposts” that she set for her government in April.

On Tuesday, Ms. Freeland gave the strongest signal yet that the pledge will be missedwhen the numbers are released. Parliamentary Budget Officer Yves Giroux estimated in October that the final deficit for 2023-2024 would be $46.4-billion while the Bank of Montreal predicted it could hit $55.8-billion.

At a news conference Wednesday after announcing another interest rate cut, Bank of Canada Governor Tiff Macklem told reporters that he was “a fan of fiscal guardrails.” But he added he wants to see what is in the fiscal update before deciding whether this could affect the next bank-rate cut at the end of January.

The Globe, citing 10 sources, reported Tuesday tensions have risen between Ms. Freeland and the PMO about increased spending on political strategies such as the two-month GST holiday on toys, alcohol and food and a promised $250 rebate for working people earning $150,000 or less. The two measures would cost $6.28-billion.

In Tuesday’s Question Period, Mr. Trudeau argued for his government’s spending but did not defend Ms. Freeland. The issue was again seized on by the opposition in Wednesday’s Question Period. Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre took a jab at the Prime Minister for naming Mr. Carney as a key economic adviser at the expense of his Finance Minister.

“Not even eight months ago, his minister said the deficit would not exceed the $40-billion – the ‘guardrail.’ Then he went and got his banker friend, Carbon Tax Carney, to become his top economic adviser, stripping the power away from his Finance Minister,” Mr. Poilievre said.

“Suddenly, the guardrail was broken. Is he really going to subject his Finance Minister to the humiliation of reading Carney’s fiscal update which busts through the guardrail?”

Mr. Trudeau ignored the question but pointed out that Bank of Canada cut interest rates by half a point, saying that is “terrible news for the Leader of the Opposition but it is great news for Canadians for whom things will become more affordable.”

Mr. Poilievre also pressed the Prime Minister to say why he has forced the Finance Minister to abandon her deficit pledge, accusing Mr. Trudeau of “pushing her through that guardrail and pushing all Canadians off the fiscal cliff.”

Mr. Trudeau replied that Mr. Poilievre likes to “make up little dramas” but the Prime Minister never directly answered repeated questions about the deficit and the rift with his Finance Minister.

Instead, he defended the GST holiday and other government spending initiatives.

“It’s all about giving Canadians a tax break over the next two months that the Conservative Leader voted against. It’s about delivering dental care to 1.2 million Canadians of which three million Canadians are already approved for access to dental care,” he said."

Trudeau's Liberal Party death spiral continues.

I am 99.99% that Mr Poilievre can beat Ms Freeland lie an old carpet, even harder than he can beat Justin Trudeau. My only questions are:

1. Does Mark Carney, at age 60, believes he can hold the CPC to a single term in government so that he becomes PM at age 64? and
2. Will Canadian dislike Mr Poilievre enough to deny him even a second minority mandate in 2029?

 

[mariomike]

Furniture posted:

Breakdown by gender​

338Canada | Leger federal poll, November 2024

338canada.com

Readers can draw their own conclusions regarding gender political statistics.

 

[JLB50]

Glad you have come around... but this is old news and known by anyone following this train wreck, hence our strong opposition.

QV, unless he changes from what I’ve seen, I’m no fan of Poilievre either. This country needs a profound “rethink” of all political parties along with what we really want for the future of Canada . It kind of reminds me of when I was growing up in the U.S. and was in a parade with my high school marching band. Well in front of us were teams of horses who left their calling cards that we ended up having to step in. That was bad enough until an elephant did his business. Until such time that Canada changes its political parties, keep on marching, eyes forward, hold your breath and don’t look down…otherwise you’ll start gagging.

 

[Good2Golf]

The Globe and Mail is not identifying the sources who were told on orders from Justin Trudeau to Katie Telford in PMO to say they were not authorized to discuss the private talks so that Trudeau could pretend he isn’t trying to throw Chrystia Freeland under the bus and otherwise tarnish his Dorian Gray-like image of himself as a benevolent feminist.

Slight tweak, Mr. Campbell, to the ‘Good Grey Globe’s’ article…

 

[Good2Golf]

Furniture posted:

Breakdown by gender​

338Canada | Leger federal poll, November 2024

338canada.com

Readers can draw their own conclusions regarding gender political statistics.

Furniture already posted that last night.

It is nearly two years old, and people's views on the parties have changed significantly in that time. It was a fair criticism of the poll's usefulness to the discussion in December 2024.

Here is a link to a much more recent and relevant poll.

 

[Quirky]

I’m no fan of Poilievre either.

Not sure I particularly like Poilievre either, but his policies make sense and a much needed change for this country.

Trudeau by comparison is a trainwreck personally, politically and by his policies.

 

[ArmyRick]

I’m no fan of Poilievre either

One of the best officers I ever worked with as a WO, I couldn't stand any of his personal views and beliefs. Hence I was most certainly not a fan of this officer. However I had to work with him and we had an excellent working relationship.

If you were tied to a chair and told one of these folks is to be trusted to manage your money, property and documents, who would you pick?
-Justin Trudeau (LPC)
-Pierre Poilievre (CPC)
-Jagmeet Singh (NDP)
-Yves Blanchet (Bloc)
-Elizabeth...never mind, she would drink it all.

 

[Rifleman62]

Heard Deficit estimates as high as $62 Billion. That is only ONE year.
Trudeau's plan is to spend, spend, spend. Offer Guaranteed Income to buy votes and NDP support. Imagine all the immigrants, student visas, illegals that may get this.
Trudeau wants to leave as big of a mess as possible for PP to attempt to resolve.

2024, so far 480,000 immigrants. Plus student visas, etc, etc.

As of 2023, there were more than eight million immigrants with permanent residence living in Canada - roughly 20 percent of the total Canadian population. Jul 3, 2024

In 2023, Canada welcomed 471,808 immigrants, which was 7.8% higher than in 2022:

• Permanent immigrants
  471,771 permanent immigrants came to Canada in 2023, which was an increase from 2022 in every province and territory except Nova Scotia and Quebec.
  
  
• Non-permanent residents
  804,901 non-permanent residents (NPRs) came to Canada in 2023. The majority of these were temporary workers, followed by international students.
  
  
• Citizenship
  293,000 newcomers became Canadian citizens between April 1 and December 31, 2023.
  

Other immigration-related highlights from 2023 include:

• The number of work permit applications finalized increased by 503,330 over 2022.
  
  
• The number of study permit applications finalized increased by 171,700 over 2022.
  
  
• In the third quarter of 2023, 96% of population growth was due to international migration.
  
  
• The number of non-permanent residents increased by 312,758 in the third quarter of 2023, the largest quarterly increase since 1971.

 

[mariomike]

Furniture already posted that last night.

Thank-you for pointing that out after I already pointed it out.

Reply #5,904.

Furniture posted:

I graciously accept your defeat

ok.

For your health, you may, or may not, wish to take this reader's kind advice to you,

Rage. Control it.

The folks with serious TDS might not survive that long without stroking out. I mean, you saw the straw poll!

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[Good2Golf]

Thank-you for pointing that out after I already pointed it out.

Reply #5,904.

So why repost, knowing beforehand it was already posted?

 

[Edward Campbell]

Heard Deficit estimates as high as $62 Billion. That is only ONE year.
Trudeau's plan is to spend, spend, spend. Offer Guaranteed Income to buy votes and NDP support. Imagine all the immigrants, student visas, illegals that may get this.
Trudeau wants to leave as big of a mess as possible for PP to attempt to resolve.

2024, so far 480,000 immigrants. Plus student visas, etc, etc.

That is the one and only key to a single term CPC government followed by a revitalized (Carney-led?) and slightly less left wing Liberal regime, again.

-----
Repeating myself, but:

1. Canada needs two broadly centrist, liberal (in the proper meaning of the term) parties;
2. Right now it has less than one;
3. Neither of the BQ or NDP wants to be liberal or centrist; but
4. Canadians are, politically and socially, broadly, left of centre which means that we tend to eschew fiscal, social and strategic moderation and responsibility in favour of claptrap like PM Trudeau's misuse of Laurier's "sunny ways" notion;
5. Good, even great Canadians PM were: Laurier, Borden; St Laurent; Martin and Harper;
6. Short term nonentities included: Campbell, Clark; Meighen and Turner;
7. Mediocre to bad PMs were: Chrétien, Diefenbaker and Mulroney; and
8. Disastrous PMs were/are: Trudeau and Trudeau, père et fils; therefore
9. We can conclude that the real problem is us, Canadians, and our own socio-political immaturity.

 

[mariomike]

Because this:

Readers can draw their own conclusions regarding gender political statistics.

 

[JLB50]

One of the best officers I ever worked with as a WO, I couldn't stand any of his personal views and beliefs. Hence I was most certainly not a fan of this officer. However I had to work with him and we had an excellent working relationship.

If you were tied to a chair and told one of these folks is to be trusted to manage your money, property and documents, who would you pick?
-Justin Trudeau (LPC)
-Pierre Poilievre (CPC)
-Jagmeet Singh (NDP)
-Yves Blanchet (Bloc)
-Elizabeth...never mind, she would drink it all.

Ok, Rick, dammit, you’ve got me on that one even if Poilievre has said little about what he’d do in most other ways. Nolo contendere.

 

[QV]

Isn't the entire CPC policy suite online for all to read?

 

[Remius]

Isn't the entire CPC policy suite online for all to read?

Yes.

Found here: https://cpcassets.conservative.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/23175001/990863517f7a575.pdf

PP also said this:

Leaders 'never bound' by Conservative party members' policy ideas: Pierre Poilievre

On the eve of his first policy convention as Conservative leader, Pierre Poilievre reminded Canadians that he is not bound by the policy ideas the grassroots membership chooses to advance.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[JLB50]

That is the one and only key to a single term CPC government followed by a revitalized (Carney-led?) and slightly less left wing Liberal regime, again.

-----
Repeating myself, but:

1. Canada needs two broadly centrist, liberal (in the proper meaning of the term) parties;
2. Right now it has less than one;
3. Neither of the BQ or NDP wants to be liberal or centrist; but
4. Canadians are, politically and socially, broadly, left of centre which means that we tend to eschew fiscal, social and strategic moderation and responsibility in favour of claptrap like PM Trudeau's misuse of Laurier's "sunny ways" notion;
5. Good, even great Canadians PM were: Laurier, Borden; St Laurent; Martin and Harper;
6. Short term nonentities included: Campbell, Clark; Meighen and Turner;
7. Mediocre to bad PMs were: Chrétien, Diefenbaker and Mulroney; and
8. Disastrous PMs were/are: Trudeau and Trudeau, père et fils; therefore
9. We can conclude that the real problem is us, Canadians, and our own socio-political immaturity.

I agree with the majority of what you’ve said although I’d rate Harper less favourably. I used to work with a former cabinet minister of Diefenbaker and he’d probably rate Dief even lower than you did. #1 and #2 are absolutely spot on. I really don’t fully accept #4…Canadians have tended to vote more liberal I think because of their perceived or justified concerns over the PC or CPC party leaders (Clark, Campbell, Stanfield, et al…the Liberals have tended to generate better P.R. As many pundits have said though, Stanfield was the best prime minister Canada never had. #9 I agree with 110%.

 

[Fabius]

Furniture posted:

Breakdown by gender​

338Canada | Leger federal poll, November 2024

338canada.com

Readers can draw their own conclusions regarding gender political statistics.

What are your conclusions since the topic interests you?

 

[ArmyRick]

Thank-you for pointing that out after I already pointed it out.

Reply #5,904.





ok.

For your health, you may, or may not, wish to take this reader's kind advice to you,

What rage? Are you guys actually thinking I am raging? I would have to give a give a shit about what you think. I don't. Glad we cleared that up.

That is two swings at abt and still striking out for you. Bad day. Its ok, sweetie, better luck next time.