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Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

The building will have a standard superstructure for a Spy 7 array. As the article suggests each ship will have modules tested and calibrated at the facility before installation into the ship, cuts down on installation, testing and calibration among other things the facility will achieve. Nothing to do with locking down designs as you suggest unless you mean something else.
It was quoted even here that one of the roles of the station is to test how the systems interact with each other and how to mitigate that by testing different configurations. If they have to move one or more of the sensors, you know the implications that will have for the affected superstructure modules.
 
It was quoted even here that one of the roles of the station is to test how the systems interact with each other and how to mitigate that by testing different configurations. If they have to move one or more of the sensors, you know the implications that will have for the affected superstructure modules.
Colin I'm pretty sure they know what the main mast with the Spy 7 looks like in design on the ship and I'm sure interaction will be looked with onboard sensors and with sensors on other platforms at the site off the coast with legacy emitters on other ships at sea as well. Your original statement seemed to suggest that the land based testing facility needed to built ASAP and testing carried out until they could finalize the design of the Spy 7 ships mast. The facility is scheduled to be started this summer with a commissioning date of 2027 and the design of the facility is complete according to releases from DND.
 
The systems interactions they are mostly referring to will be internal to the ship and the combat system. So basically how does the gun control unit work with the radar through Aegis and stuff like that.

There might be some antenna farm stuff happening as well but mostly it's a stack of computers talking to another stack of computers through a network setup. Then how does that optimize with the radar etc...

So the detect to engage sequence up to pretend firing of weapons integrated with all the effectors.
 
Kind of worrisome, as that does not give them much time for testing prior to having to start locking down the superstructure module designs
As surprising as it might be, it is not uncommon for warship designs to have their physical construction begin before the design as a whole is entirely finalized. Especially if this is to do with the upper works that can be built later on and in modules to be added to the hull, these don't need to be entirely design mature before construction starts. The lower most blocks of modern ships are typically the most mature of the design, especially with something like the Rivers where much of those components are still common with the baseline design.

The famous Arleigh Burke class destroyers of the US Navy had the first 5 ships of the class ordered with the design only half complete.
 
How helpful will the Scottish experience be for lessons learned and a "don't do this" Manual for the Irving workforce.
I am assuming there is a lot of interaction or planned to be cooperation with all aspects of our build process.
Just don't let anyone go to OZ as they may not come back.
 
How helpful will the Scottish experience be for lessons learned and a "don't do this" Manual for the Irving workforce.
I am assuming there is a lot of interaction or planned to be cooperation with all aspects of our build process.
Just don't let anyone go to OZ as they may not come back.
SUPER helpful.

BAE is part of the design team if not the construction team. All their mistakes and successes are shared with the other two builders. As the power plants and prime movers, as well as engineering spaces are all going to be nearly identical just knowing that the plumbing doesn't quite work as planned and has to be modified in the next ships of class will be corrected and passed to the other yards.

As an example, IIRC there was a "it doesn't quite fit" issue with some of the Diesel Generators on Glasgow. The solution to that will be incorporated into the follow on T26 and shared with Hunter Class and River Class projects.

The challenging parts come as you go further up in the ship. Each variant has its own bespoke combat system, mast arrangement, different navigation systems, comms, internal electronics, radars and weapons combinations. Helicopter support is different, boats are differrent and the list goes on. Canada runs on NA electrical for hotel services, UK on their own and Australia has their own as well.

Which means power, cooling, electrical and HVAC are going to change in type, routing and connections.
 
BAE is great, really glad they are a key part of the design. They also proactively are finding issues and stopping us from doing particularly stupid things.
Glad to see the big bucks spent on them is well worth it. My (very few) interactions I've had with BAE have always been professional to the point where I left feeling like they were uhhh... putting up with my dumb questions. Always appreciated their patience and let the know as such.
 

And so it begins as expected.

We're kind of at the point where Canada needs to decide if it wants a Navy or not. We can't dither about replacing the fleet anymore. It's kind of a binary question now.
 
Interesting podcast with Procurement Canada Deputy Minister and Seaspan’s CEO. Near the end Seaspan says that they are 18 months to 2 years away from laying off designers. He said projects like the Corvettes need to be on the runway because Canada has spent billions getting this expertise and we cannot piss it away AGAIN (my words)
 
Interesting podcast with Procurement Canada Deputy Minister and Seaspan’s CEO. Near the end Seaspan says that they are 18 months to 2 years away from laying off designers. He said projects like the Corvettes need to be on the runway because Canada has spent billions getting this expertise and we cannot piss it away AGAIN (my words)
Not to surprised by that. Given the CMC timeframe it probably would slot in fairly quickly. And oddly enough given the sizes involved Seaspan probably has capacity to build hulls in Vancouver and then do combat systems in Victoria while still working on the various CCG vessels.
 
We're kind of at the point where Canada needs to decide if it wants a Navy or not. We can't dither about replacing the fleet anymore. It's kind of a binary question now.
I wonder if we're at the point where the decision being contemplated is whether we can afford to wait for the planned Navy we wanted to come online, or if the combination of delays, the state of the fleet, and the changes to the world have created an immediate need that is going to force a pivot.

Hard to imagine RCD getting cancelled, but I'd argue that with the CMMC being explicity framed as a combatant that the CSC concept is dead prior to arrival. If the end result is going to be two classes of combatant, it's not hard to imagine that the mix is going to be questioned.

The plan was to go from 3 Tribals + 12 CPF's + 12 MCDV's to 15 CSC's + ~ 12 better OPV's. If the cost of having a functioning Navy in the 30's means pivoting to 8-10 RCD's and say 15 "high end" corvettes (something like the Tasman class), is it worth it? And even if it's not worth it as an end state, can we afford to leave the 30's looking like they are?
 
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Considering they are not even started on the Multi-purpose ships for the CCG, means that design is reaching maturity. With the Polar icebreaker to cut their teeth on the next class of CCG will go pretty quick. Maybe it's time to start chasing other contracts. Perhaps a ship or two for New Zealand?
 
Interesting podcast with Procurement Canada Deputy Minister and Seaspan’s CEO. Near the end Seaspan says that they are 18 months to 2 years away from laying off designers. He said projects like the Corvettes need to be on the runway because Canada has spent billions getting this expertise and we cannot piss it away AGAIN (my words)

Considering they are not even started on the Multi-purpose ships for the CCG, means that design is reaching maturity. With the Polar icebreaker to cut their teeth on the next class of CCG will go pretty quick. Maybe it's time to start chasing other contracts. Perhaps a ship or two for New Zealand?
We cant build ships fast enough to keep the design bureau busy?
 
The next build after the Polar Class is 16 hulls, so the design bureau will not have a lot of work to do. Unless they contract out their expertise to other countries that want to build their own hulls, but don't have an experienced design team. Even if they get the Corvette design gig, that will extend their work for 2-3 more years, then the same issue pops up. Canada could ask them to design a bunch of small ships, like a sub rescue ship, Mine Clearance vessel, AOP's replacement, Improved JSS, while marketing their skills abroad.
 
Maybe we could use a submarine rescue ship.
Make it two if the RCN can crew them.

I see a recruiting videos - deep sea divers salvaging things - Join The Team.

And submariners chasing - hunting - a capital ship. And destroyers hunting subs. And the resupply ships resupplying ships.
 
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The next build after the Polar Class is 16 hulls, so the design bureau will not have a lot of work to do. Unless they contract out their expertise to other countries that want to build their own hulls, but don't have an experienced design team. Even if they get the Corvette design gig, that will extend their work for 2-3 more years, then the same issue pops up. Canada could ask them to design a bunch of small ships, like a sub rescue ship, Mine Clearance vessel, AOP's replacement, Improved JSS, while marketing their skills abroad.
What about Davie, Irving? Same thing? Or do they bounce to those two? How much help does Davie need with the Medium icebreakers with Aker and Helsinki onboard?
 
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